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ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by lvl155 »

eoskx wrote: post #14

Glad to see this post didn't get flagged like the one that was posted yesterday on a similar topic about ICE data mining and user tracking. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46748336

I actually think it’s best that HN flags and removes them because we are quickly entering a stage in this country where you will be flagged by the government monitoring the internet. I would caution people to start using VPN and continuously flush your IPs. I would even go as far as to recommend removing face ID from your devices which basically offers zero protection once you’re detained (or have a quick way to disable it).

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by rexpop »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #97
billy99k wrote: post #23

[flagged]

Most of these people didn't protest ICE under Biden and Obama, who both deported more than Trump 1. That's because we see a difference in how illegal migrants were prioritized (violent offenders first) and treated (more humanely) then compared to now. And how citizen protests were handled then and now.

Yeah, deportations are clearly beside the point, now.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by gruez »

direwolf20 wrote: post #168
PlanksVariable wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is about deporting illegal immigrants specifically, i.e. people who are in a country in violated of its immigration laws. I think the main benefit is the same as with any law: if you have a law with no consequences for the people who break it, you don’t really have a law. If we don’t have immigration laws, we have an open border and with an open border, we can’t regulate the rate at which people enter th…

What if a law only has consequences for the people it's intended for? Let's say you have a requirement that all TVs should be registered, so you can make sure every TV owner has a TV licence. You find an unregistered TV, but the owner has a TV licence. Does it make sense to confiscate the TV? What purpose would that serve? Let's say you have a law that all people entering a country must be scrutinized to ensure no se…

>Let's say you have a law that all people entering a country must be scrutinized to ensure no serial killers get in. You find a guy who hasn't been scrutinized, but he's not a serial killer. Does it make sense to confiscate the guy? What purpose would that serve?

To ensure that people go through the checkpoint in the first place? For instance, the point of airport security checkpoints is to make sure that no terrorists get on planes, but if there's no penalty for you jumping the fence, why would people even bother going through the checkpoint?

And all of this is ignoring the other purposes of immigration policy, eg. preserving jobs or whatever.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ddtaylor »

rconti wrote: post #88

... but I'm sure they'd never target "undesirably unhealthy" citizens with this data to harass..... If you work on this kind of tech, please, quit your job.

Soft quit so they can continue to bleed money and delay further talent acquisition.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by RicciFlow »

p1esk wrote: post #98
steve1977 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Privacy itself can become illegal just as easily as religion, etc. if we follow your argument.

EU is literally debating about "Chat Control". Its purpose is to scan for child sexual abuse material in internet traffic. But its at the cost of breaking end to end encryption.

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Post by ohyoutravel »

blell wrote: post #185
direwolf20 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. Can you elaborate?

[flagged]

I think they’re trying to get you to put on record in print your explicit views. It’s a trap — don’t do it! As soon as you commit to words that you’re exhibiting discriminatory or abusive behavior towards a group because of their race or national origin, they will call you a racist!

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by andy99 »

paganel wrote: post #222
andy99 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

When the computer code many of us are working on is directly shaping that politics I think that we should talk about it and stop hiding behind the bush.

Yeah so find a forum that’s for discussing that and discuss it there. Don’t try and force people who are discussing something else to talk about politics with you. Do you also randomly go onto GitHub issues and start talking politics because the people who are talking about repo bugs are “hiding behind a bush” and should talk about the political things you think are important instead?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by vladms »

nfinished wrote: post #133
p1esk wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy itself can become illegal just as easily as religion, etc. if we follow your argument.

What point do you think you're making?

My interpretation: advocating for privacy without making effort to avoid a large part of the society goes "crazy" will not protect you much on the long term.

I do like "engineering solutions" (ex: not storing too much data), but I start to think it is important to make more effort on more broad social, legal and political aspects.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by TeMPOraL »

filoeleven wrote: post #170
watty wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's fair. I follow politics closely but prefer HN to stay technical. It shouldn't be offensive.

The "hide" link is right next to the "flag" link. Using flag instead of hide puts more strain on the mods, and is not the right thing to do for "this topic doesn't apply to my interests."

But it is the right thing to do for "this topic violates HN guidelines both in letter and in spirit, as well as predictably causing low-quality discussion threads".

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by kjellsbells »

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders.

Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws.

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF1191...

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