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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by 2snakes »

hackyhacky wrote: post #131
gunsle wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Writing papers is not the same as being an intellectual. The Heritage Foundation certainly publishes, but they don't have a coherent ideology. Project 2025 is not an work of political philosophy, it's just a roadmap for seizing power at all costs.

"What are we to infer from Oakeshott's favoured 'cook' metaphor?First, that conservatism is about doing, and about understandingwhat one is doing, not about thinking in the sense of planningwhat to do.12 Second, that conservatism is unreflective to the extent that it does not deal with packages of coherent ideas abouthuman beings and their societies, but is a method of recognizingreality through experiencing it, intellectually unintelligible for nonparticipants. Third, and consequently, that it is non-transmittable,unless this be done by direct instruction in its practices. Fourth,and not least, that it is futile to conceptualize about human conduct, political or otherwise, in manners typical of Western politicalthought. Philosophy is simply 'experience without reservation orpresupposition'.13 The world of the conservative—the world ofpractice—is unsystematic and contingent, though there is withinexperience an inner, self-contained, coherent world." (Michael Freeden, Ideologies and Political Theory)

"To conclude: the law of conservative structure, and the key toidentifying the common components of its variants, consists offour central features. Two of those are substantive core concepts,though not always identified as such: (1) a resistance to change,however unavoidable, unless it is perceived as organic and natural;(2) an attempt to subordinate change to the belief that the lawsand forces guiding human behaviour have extra-human origins andtherefore cannot and ought not to be subject to human wills andwhims. Unlike other major ideologies, conservatism then intriguingly produces two underlying morphological attributes, instead of "additional substantive identifying features. One of these attributesis (3) the fashioning of relatively stable (though never inherentlypermanent) conservative beliefs and values out of reactions toprogressive ideational cores. This allows all substantive conceptsin the employ of conservatism, other than the two enumeratedabove, to become contingent. They are subjected to a complexswivel mirror-image technique, superimposed on a retrospectivediachronie justification of the current beliefs held by conservatives. In each instance, the consistent aim is to provide a securestructure of political beliefs and concepts that protects the firstcore concept of conservatism, and does so by utilizing its secondcore component. Finally (4) the process is abetted by substantiveflexibility in the deployment of decontested concepts, so as tomaximize under varying conditions the protection of that conception of change. Such flexibility of meaning permits a considerablefirmness of conservatism's fundamental structure when confrontedwith very different concrete historical and spatial circumstances.What may superficially appear to be intellectual lightweightedness or be mistaken as opportunism is rather the performance ofa crucial stabilizing function by means of the adroit manoeuvringof political concepts in positions adjacent to the ideational core.The morphological unity of conservatism is preserved by an identical grammar of response, but expressed through differentiatedlanguages of response." (Michael Freeden, Ideologies and Political Theory)

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by irl_zebra »

jimmydoe wrote: post #152
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

I don’t agree. I’m fine ICE can see my data, as long as there are process enforced to track those usage and I have a right to fight back for their misuse. Problem today is ICE has no accountability of misuse data/violence, not they have means to data/violence.

> I’m fine ICE can see my data, as long as there are process enforced to track those usage and I have a right to fight back for their misuse

I agree with this in theory, but its a fantasy to think they have this restriction at this point. ICE seems to be taking all comers, the lowest of the low, the vilest of the vile, giving them "47 days of training," and sending them off armed into the populace. I have seen no evidence they believe they have any restriction on anything. It's basically DOGE but with guns instead of keyboards.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ok_dad »

PlanksVariable wrote: post #130
direwolf20 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What actual, concrete benefit do you see from deporting immigrants?

The question is about deporting illegal immigrants specifically, i.e. people who are in a country in violated of its immigration laws. I think the main benefit is the same as with any law: if you have a law with no consequences for the people who break it, you don’t really have a law. If we don’t have immigration laws, we have an open border and with an open border, we can’t regulate the rate at which people enter th…

> I think the main benefit is the same as with any law: if you have a law with no consequences for the people who break it, you don’t really have a law.

How do you feel about ICE raiding citizens homes without warrants? How about door to door raids?

If ICE cannot even follow the 4th and 5th amendments then they should be jailed themselves.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smitty1e »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #89
smitty1e wrote: post #33

I hope that we can agree that blowing off the 10A and allowing all of this federal bloat has not been a swift call. Social services left at the State level would be subject to a smaller pool of votes for approval and are more likely to be funded by actual tax revenue instead of debt. That is: sustainably. Furthermore, the lack of One True Database is a safety feature in the face of the inevitable bad actors. In naval…

Some states are too poor to effectively fund and maintain their own safety nets. It's common for folks laid off in these states to get a dubious mental health diagnosis to justify SSDI, because doctors know they have no prospects and could well become homeless without it.

So we mug other States rather than address the problem?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by direwolf20 »

blell wrote: post #127
direwolf20 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the question, isn't it? Why not just do that? Who are you trying to keep out of the country, and for what end, and is that end best attained by removing people from the country who aren't the ones you are trying to keep out? For instance, if you believe the border should be strict to keep out serial killers, what does that have to do with removing Korean car factory workers who aren't serial killers?

Because once they come in sufficient numbers they will turn your country into the country they fled from - and then you are in trouble.

I don't understand. Can you elaborate?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by Sparkle-san »

gruez wrote: post #94
direwolf20 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Renee Good blocked half the [small, suburban, low traffic, no lane markings] road and told the officers they were free to drive around her. I don't know what the blockage was about the but she seemingly wasn't trying to get in anyone's way.

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Last time I checked, traffic violations aren't punishable by summary execution.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by direwolf20 »

tinyhouse wrote: post #104
direwolf20 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the question, isn't it? Why not just do that? Who are you trying to keep out of the country, and for what end, and is that end best attained by removing people from the country who aren't the ones you are trying to keep out? For instance, if you believe the border should be strict to keep out serial killers, what does that have to do with removing Korean car factory workers who aren't serial killers?

Well, if a Korean car factory worker live and work illegally in the country, then it makes total sense to remove them, regardless if they are serial killers or not. A company shouldn't even hire anyone who is not eligible to work legally in the country. There are laws that need to be followed like everything else. It sounds like you're saying that you want the country to have open borders so that everyone can come li…

> then it makes total sense to remove them, regardless if they are serial killers or not.

Why?

> A company shouldn't even hire anyone who is not eligible to work legally in the country.

Apart from the legal punishments themselves, why not? What goal is achieved by this?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by direwolf20 »

PlanksVariable wrote: post #130
direwolf20 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What actual, concrete benefit do you see from deporting immigrants?

The question is about deporting illegal immigrants specifically, i.e. people who are in a country in violated of its immigration laws. I think the main benefit is the same as with any law: if you have a law with no consequences for the people who break it, you don’t really have a law. If we don’t have immigration laws, we have an open border and with an open border, we can’t regulate the rate at which people enter th…

What if a law only has consequences for the people it's intended for?

Let's say you have a requirement that all TVs should be registered, so you can make sure every TV owner has a TV licence. You find an unregistered TV, but the owner has a TV licence. Does it make sense to confiscate the TV? What purpose would that serve?

Let's say you have a law that all people entering a country must be scrutinized to ensure no serial killers get in. You find a guy who hasn't been scrutinized, but he's not a serial killer. Does it make sense to confiscate the guy? What purpose would that serve?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jimmydoe »

irl_zebra wrote: post #162
jimmydoe wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree. I’m fine ICE can see my data, as long as there are process enforced to track those usage and I have a right to fight back for their misuse. Problem today is ICE has no accountability of misuse data/violence, not they have means to data/violence.

> I’m fine ICE can see my data, as long as there are process enforced to track those usage and I have a right to fight back for their misuse I agree with this in theory, but its a fantasy to think they have this restriction at this point. ICE seems to be taking all comers, the lowest of the low, the vilest of the vile, giving them "47 days of training," and sending them off armed into the populace. I have seen no evi…

I was referring to principle, not ICE in its current state.

since you can’t turn ICE around overnight, I don’t think Americans should authorize ICE more data and power NOW.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by filoeleven »

watty wrote: post #115
therobots927 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. They’re here to bury their head in the sand and keep up to date with the latest tech trends like the good little worker bees they are.

I don't think that's fair. I follow politics closely but prefer HN to stay technical. It shouldn't be offensive.

The "hide" link is right next to the "flag" link. Using flag instead of hide puts more strain on the mods, and is not the right thing to do for "this topic doesn't apply to my interests."
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