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Legal eagle has more in-depth analysis of this. But in summary, there's basically no recourse.
They have the same recourse the colonists had to eject King George's men. And the same duty.
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
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I've watched four videos but haven't seen any footage (clear or otherwise) of gun removal. Can you post a link to clear footage of the removal? One video [1] shows someone walking away from the scene with a gun a fraction of a second before the shooting begins. But I can't see that the gun was removed from the protester. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the...
https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/2015144869497311275
I don't mean to diminish the importance of the shooting, which is horrific no matter what one makes of the photos.
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I understand that, but you're assuming they also stop paying federal tax altogether? Your initial point was to just not allow federal employees to transact, but now we're quickly entering secession territory. The red states mostly grow the food, anyway. Is Manhattan prepared to starve? Feds may block imports to such a rogue state. If your point is that states should essentially secede to prevent federal agents from d…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_secession > The major power lever that could be used in soft secession is if a state normally giving more in taxes to the federal government than it receives back would cease to send tax revenue to the federal government. These states, which generally are blue states governed by a Democratic Party majority, could leverage finances to exert influence over the federal administration,…
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#444Why is this being hidden off of the main HN pages? There are clearly enough points for it to be significantly up weighted. I don’t understand the censorship.
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#446Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…
If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.
All the blathering about "freedom", "democracy", and "constitutional rights" is just propaganda you've been spoon-fed since you were a child. The USA has spent the last 80 years riding the wave of contributing to the victory in WWII and therefore being the "Good Guys", and most of the Western world happily played along as their political goals aligned with it.
Meanwhile the USA hasn't addressed its deeply-rooted internal issues which have been festering for well over a century, and the results are now obvious to everyone. It only took Trump a year to make the US an international laughing stock, start a bunch of wars, get rid of the free press, and begin rounding up people he doesn't like.
If the USA you were taught to believe in truly existed, the current situation would not have been possible.
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> it's easy to see the very real authoritarian bend of comfortable professionals who are smart but also in favor of, say, summary execution of people for protesting There’s that rhetoric I’m talking about! Thanks for giving a perfect example. For topics like these, the expectation is that everyone comes in here and expresses sufficient levels of outrage. After all, if you’re scrolling through all the posts showing th…
my statement was about why I do, indeed, find utility these conversations you don't find useful.
That a) says nothing about my take on your understanding/ position on the issues around protest or politics and b) is a request to understand my position and not, like, a statement about the morality of your position.
And further, to me "being okay with the summary execution of people for protesting" seems like a pretty specific sentiment, and one which I have heard echoed here quite a bit. I find it super useful to see demonstrated so frequently that a person with excellent technical chops in a domain may often have massive deficiencies in their reasoning, if for no other reason that it helps me understand the weakness of my own cognition.
So, perhaps consider that it's you, in projecting a statement I didn't make in a very short and fairly clear post who is "giving a perfect example" of the level of nuance-free assumptions that do (as you correctly point out) often run rampant- and not just on this site, but in discourse in general.
To push my point a bit further, I am not here to make moral judgements or change peoples' mind on these political topics; rather, over the decade during which I've been interacting on this site, it has= has been super informative to trace the nascent fascism that breed in many of the confluences of technology and capitalism.
That may, to you, sound like hyperbolic rhetoric that is dismissive of other folks' opinions; from my position you're not understanding that this examination of (what is to me) highly disagreeable and almost sociopathic political discourse -is- the process of finding nuanced and useful understandings of our political situation.
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Why do you think it’s so important to get in this guy’s head, and to give him this graceful excuse of “maybe he just panicked?” Obviously someone panicked. We can clearly see they did not line them up and actually shoot them with a firing squad. But what is the point of this thought exercise? Where does it lead? To more “training” for the agents? The whole thing is illegitimate and immoral. There is no need to engage…
> Why do you think it’s so important to get in this guy’s head, and to give him this graceful excuse of “maybe he just panicked?” It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. By all means throw the book at him for murder or whatever. I think it's important because understanding why things happen is important to stop them from happening. If you just stop at "they're evil murderers" then your options for fixing that are ve…
So far, it appears that the killer will not be investigated, much less prosecuted. This is how you start civil wars.
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>The sad thing is that there is a nuanced discussion to be had here. If you say there's nuance, then out with it. Stop self censoring and speak your mind. What nuance do you see?
I dunno, I’m still really angry about what I'm seeing. If I had anything to say it’s probably something I’d regret later. I’m talking with my loved ones about it and trying to come to grips with what’s happening to my country. It’s not really time for an internet hot take right now.
It's hard.
If it helps, there are plenty of folks doing work. Specifically, get trained by whoever your local rapid response network is. That will put you in contact with actual humans in your local who are in similar situations- for me that has bein invaluable.
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> ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. > Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. I have seen many claims of this sort, but every single time there's been video available of the incident, it's become clear to me that nothing of the sort is g…
You're being flagged for good reason, you're not a victim here. You refuse to watch the videos, but you're still defending the regime. Why? I question the moral integrity of anyone who would defend this administration without all the available info. I'm glad you're being flagged, because I've been disappointed with how folks here have been surprisingly flaccid when it comes to condemning this regime. The day that I c…