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ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…
> ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. > Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. I have seen many claims of this sort, but every single time there's been video available of the incident, it's become clear to me that nothing of the sort is g…
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
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#392Wikipedia has a page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti
Man, I hate that they "both sides" this. "DHS says he approached with a handgun, NYT says the video shows a phone" makes it seem like just an unlucky misunderstanding. But the DHS quote clearly is a straight up lie based on video evidence, and this doesn't convey how it was a straight up execution and that all the escalation was done by the officers.
It's a current event, so things will change fast.
At the same time, the Wikipedia page for ICE itself sounds a lot like a propaganda piece, with criticism as a footnote.
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>>The schools now have lockdown protocols for ICE if the day ever came for ICE to breach a locked down school, and extract minors, that could be a tipping point.
They've already breached churches and hospitals to extract people. And they've already arrested 5-year-old minors. Its only a matter of time before they move to schools.
'They are circling our schools,' superintendent says after 5-year-old detained by ICE - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/they-are-circling-our-scho... - January 23rd, 2026
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> this video will likely be glad just instantly Again. Anyway, the video shows that we've unequivocally entered open-air brownshirt executions. This person was pinned to the ground by three people while another was just wailing against their head from above. Hard to tell what object they're using as a cudgel to their face. Then the subsequent mag dumping just to be extra sure they're dead. We really need that lady in…
It's absolutely inexcusable, even moreso than the murder of Renee Good. Though I fully expect the usual suspects to show up and claim it was justified because he was resisting arrest, which seems to be the popular modus operandi for justifying execution by the state.
"We haven't quite decided yet whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape."
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> FWIW, here's a short version: users flag things for various reasons; we turn off flags on a few such stories, but not more; that's because HN isn't a political or current affairs site; I think you have misunderstood the request. The request was not to clarify the general moderation policy, but rather clarify the reasoning why this specific story was not considered as one of the few stories where such action was tak…
My post contains all the information you need to answer that question. The current story is obviously a flamewar topic, a political battle topic, and a repetitive topic. I'm not saying it isn't important—of course it's important, far more important than most things on HN's front page*. The issue is that HN's frontpage is not optimized for importance but for something else ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=…
I think the unease many people feel here is that this strict bureaucracy taken to its extreme conclusion would become something akin to a tragicomical farce: "No posts about the controversial nukes raining over Europe allowed, such flamewars would destroy our valuable forum for discussing the really interesting and
intellectual political topics".
Clearly there must be a line somewhere. It was not here and today, but when and where is it? Trying desperately to cling onto normality at every cost when the actual reality is far from normal becomes a destructive endeavour in the end.
I have been a regular visitor on this site for 14 years, and have have never spoken up about this before. In fact I have always stood by the moderation policy and appreciated it. But I have a line where avoiding "inflammatory discussions" simply becomes obstinate and clueless, and harmful in the way that it gives convenient cover for the actors committing the real inflammatory acts, counting on people not caring enough to give them grief for it. And for me, that line has been crossed.
I'm curious: Have you not noticed any increase in people saying "this time it's different", or that different kinds of people are saying it now? Is it really just the same old people repeating the same old phrase to you?
> a repetitive topic
Small note: It has never been a repetitive topic, since all discussions about ICE performing extrajudicial killings have been quickly flagged of the front page and never (as a topic) discussed by the wider community.
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Why do you think it’s so important to get in this guy’s head, and to give him this graceful excuse of “maybe he just panicked?” Obviously someone panicked. We can clearly see they did not line them up and actually shoot them with a firing squad. But what is the point of this thought exercise? Where does it lead? To more “training” for the agents? The whole thing is illegitimate and immoral. There is no need to engage…
> Why do you think it’s so important to get in this guy’s head, and to give him this graceful excuse of “maybe he just panicked?”
It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. By all means throw the book at him for murder or whatever. I think it's important because understanding why things happen is important to stop them from happening. If you just stop at "they're evil murderers" then your options for fixing that are very limited.
> But what is the point of this thought exercise? Where does it lead? To more “training” for the agents?
Yes, at the very least.
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> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…
The bargain with law enforcement has always been that ostensibly if you comply, they will take you in peacefully. For obvious reasons, this is highly advantageous to both parties. It seems like a foolish choice for them to reneg on this. They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out.
That’s true if you want to keep the peace. The way to read their actions is that they’re trying to incite violence.
If Trump can incite violence then he can invoke the insurrection act, or perhaps declare some form of martial law to seize more power. Perhaps even parlay this into cancelling the midterm elections.
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Watch the video from all angles. There is no way to defend your position if you watch the actual footage of what happened. If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.
Don't bother interacting with the other guy. He's a known troll that comes to every discussion about ICE and tries to put the blame on the victim, and then rants about Obama for some reason.
This guy is in full support of the recent ICE murders. Moderation still hasn't banned the guy, of course.