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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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At least half of the flags are probably from off the books bots used by HN to filter dissent. I’m not kidding.

pg doesn't support this, so I don't buy these conspiracy theories.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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I have sent an email linking to this discussion, but I think it would be more constructive if the helpful and forthcoming answers happened in public rather than in sent in private email threads to everyone wondering. Calling discussing something on HN "hypothesizing into the void" is a strange choice of words, either meant to be patronizing toward me specifically or toward all HN users.

> I think it would be more constructive if the helpful and forthcoming answers happened in public You're in luck, because there are thousands of public answers and you can search them easily: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang&type=comment&dateRange... (by dang), https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... (by tomhow). The answers we give by email are no different from the ones we give in publi…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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post #118

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I have sent an email linking to this discussion, but I think it would be more constructive if the helpful and forthcoming answers happened in public rather than in sent in private email threads to everyone wondering. Calling discussing something on HN "hypothesizing into the void" is a strange choice of words, either meant to be patronizing toward me specifically or toward all HN users.

> I think it would be more constructive if the helpful and forthcoming answers happened in public You're in luck, because there are thousands of public answers and you can search them easily: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang&type=comment&dateRange... (by dang), https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... (by tomhow). The answers we give by email are no different from the ones we give in publi…

> FWIW, here's a short version: users flag things for various reasons; we turn off flags on a few such stories, but not more; that's because HN isn't a political or current affairs site;

I think you have misunderstood the request. The request was not to clarify the general moderation policy, but rather clarify the reasoning why this specific story was not considered as one of the few stories where such action was taken.

I have already clarified my specific concerns regarding flagging and this specific story in another post in this discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745562

People are curious to hear the reasoning for keeping the flag on this specific post, since thought has obviously been put to it and a decision to keep it was made after thoughtful consideration. I.e. which of the several different policies you highlighted had the most weight in this decision, and which mitigating circumstances were considered as reasons for bypassing this policy and removing the flag (even if they were discarded in the end).

It is precisely because consistent moderation is not possible that this is needed (otherwise it would be easy to just refer to the consistent guidelines). The quality of the moderation depends on the judgement and reasoning of the moderators, and the only way for the users to form their own picture (good or bad) of this judgement is to ask to hear how it is applied to specific scenarios where it is ambiguous.

I am very sympathetic to the fact that it must be tedious and sometimes repetitive, but if the decision is controversial I think it is an important part of moderation and important for the community as a whole.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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ICE thugs have been recruited largely from white nationalist rallies and forums. Literally, not as some kind of metaphor. DHS executives post white nationalist propaganda hourly on Twitter. Stephen Miller, an out-of-the-closet Nazi, is the acting president of the United States. Their goal is to start a race war that they believe they can win by murdering 100 million Americans.

I don't think we can just blame white people for this. A lot of the ICE agents are non-white and many non-whites voted for Trump. In fact, most of the pro-immigrant people I meet are white!

Nobody is blaming white people. They're pointing out, correctly, that the United States is lead by a white nationalist regime.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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That's already been revealed by Minnesota Police (thank goodness we at least have some degree of independent investigations going on right now). 1. Only had parking tickets on his criminal record. No other criminal activity. 2. Owned a gun with firearms permit. 3. 36 Years Old, male. EDIT: I misremembered. Its apparently 37 year old male. Minnesota Police only have jurisdiction inside of Minnesota however. So those f…

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He was a US citizen according to the Minneapolis police chief.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Bellingcat analysis: https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vleoxks2t

"A video of the shooting appears to show that a gun was taken from the man BEFORE THE FIRST shot was fired."

"At least 10 shots being heard in total. Most of them are fired after a brief delay, when the man is already lying motionless on the ground."

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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That's already been revealed by Minnesota Police (thank goodness we at least have some degree of independent investigations going on right now). 1. Only had parking tickets on his criminal record. No other criminal activity. 2. Owned a gun with firearms permit. 3. 36 Years Old, male. EDIT: I misremembered. Its apparently 37 year old male. Minnesota Police only have jurisdiction inside of Minnesota however. So those f…

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US Citizen with gun permit.

Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara had a press briefing a few hours ago.

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