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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

RickJWagner wrote: post #278
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

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Watch the video from all angles. There is no way to defend your position if you watch the actual footage of what happened.

If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

93po wrote: post #246
testing22321 wrote: post #209

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So democracy is falling in the most militarily powerful country on earth, citizens are being executed and rights stripped… and you think it’s not OK to be angry? You think we just shouldn’t discuss it at all because people are angry? Putting our heads in the sand will not help.

there are a lot of places to be angry on the internet. in fact, basically every single website other than HN is a place to be angry. HN is deliberately not that, or at least it aims to not be that.

> HN is deliberately not that, or at least it aims to not be that

Is this a joke? I don't think anyone in this thread is half as angry as people get about React or Cloudflare

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

ninkendo wrote: post #235
scarecrowbob wrote: post #207

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> it's easy to see the very real authoritarian bend of comfortable professionals who are smart but also in favor of, say, summary execution of people for protesting There’s that rhetoric I’m talking about! Thanks for giving a perfect example. For topics like these, the expectation is that everyone comes in here and expresses sufficient levels of outrage. After all, if you’re scrolling through all the posts showing th…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by maxerickson »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #217
maxerickson wrote: post #210

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So know your customer regulations at the gas station then?

Sure, whatever it takes. You somehow think it’s incredulous when Pornhub was deplatformed from credit card rails easily, and is still age gated in 23 states through statute. This is far worse, and laws can be made to do whatever the target outcome is. I get it, your mental model differs, and that’s fine. The tools exist and can be used. They could start by blacklisting the BIN of any federal government payment card,…

You are proposing that every customer identify themself for every transaction, and that every store verifies that identity against a state maintained list.

"Stop their payment cards" just makes things a little inconvenient for the bad guys. What you are proposing makes everything very inconvenient for everyone. Mental models differ indeed.

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Post by B1FIDO »

taylodl wrote: post #287
RickJWagner wrote: post #278

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You have the right to carry. Period end. Full stop. Exercising your constitutional right is not "looking for trouble."

If someone is going in to a situation where they know there are armed riot police, armed federal agents, armed and agitated protestors, and several people have already been unalived, I would call them nothing but "suicidal" to carry their own weapon into that situation. Suicidal. Even when concealed and unused. Suicidal.

Of course they would be suicidal to go into that situation unarmed, as well. But carrying a weapon would be double-plus-ungood and guaranteed to make them a target for unaliving, sticking out from amongst the crowd bearing rocks and sticks or even Molotov cocktails.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dang »

i_cannot_hack wrote: post #176
dang wrote: post #118

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> I think it would be more constructive if the helpful and forthcoming answers happened in public You're in luck, because there are thousands of public answers and you can search them easily: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang&type=comment&dateRange... (by dang), https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... (by tomhow). The answers we give by email are no different from the ones we give in publi…

> FWIW, here's a short version: users flag things for various reasons; we turn off flags on a few such stories, but not more; that's because HN isn't a political or current affairs site; I think you have misunderstood the request. The request was not to clarify the general moderation policy, but rather clarify the reasoning why this specific story was not considered as one of the few stories where such action was tak…

My post contains all the information you need to answer that question. The current story is obviously a flamewar topic, a political battle topic, and a repetitive topic. I'm not saying it isn't important—of course it's important, far more important than most things on HN's front page*. The issue is that HN's frontpage is not optimized for importance but for something else (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). Optimizing for importance would make this a current affairs site, which is not its mandate. Actually we have to expend a lot of energy preventing that outcome, because the default pressures point in that direction, and are quite strong. One can really see that at moments when passions are heated, as they are in this thread.

* If you look at some of the old links I dug up here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46747388, you'll find that this point has also been around a long time. Specifically these:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23380817 (June 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20453883 (July 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16968668 (May 2018)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15948011 (Dec 2017)

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

silexia wrote: post #285
davidguetta wrote: post #196

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Who shoot exactly ? i don't understand anything (not sarcasm, i'm in the airport and can't make sense of the vid)

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ICE are not police officers, or even traditional law enforcement officers.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

eudamoniac wrote: post #288
toomuchtodo wrote: post #217

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Sure, whatever it takes. You somehow think it’s incredulous when Pornhub was deplatformed from credit card rails easily, and is still age gated in 23 states through statute. This is far worse, and laws can be made to do whatever the target outcome is. I get it, your mental model differs, and that’s fine. The tools exist and can be used. They could start by blacklisting the BIN of any federal government payment card,…

Even in the absolute best case scenario where this just works, the bare minimum retaliation is withholding of federal funds, and I guarantee you any state or state populace in that scenario will blink first.

Blue states fund red states, they are the economic engines of the country. California has the forth largest economy in the world. The federal government has more to lose. Red states are poor. Blue states can simply withhold federal support, keep federal tax revenue in state and let the federal government try to sue for it.

I encourage the federal government to try to support itself off of red states.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-contribute-the-mo...

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Post by dragontamer »

B1FIDO wrote: post #295
taylodl wrote: post #287

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You have the right to carry. Period end. Full stop. Exercising your constitutional right is not "looking for trouble."

If someone is going in to a situation where they know there are armed riot police, armed federal agents, armed and agitated protestors, and several people have already been unalived, I would call them nothing but "suicidal" to carry their own weapon into that situation. Suicidal. Even when concealed and unused. Suicidal. Of course they would be suicidal to go into that situation unarmed, as well. But carrying a weapo…

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