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>@dang and other mods - when ICE abduct your kids on the way home from school, kick in your door and shoot people in your street will you feel proud of your cowardly behaviour here? It won't happen to them because their boss (Garry Tan) is associated with the power behind the thrown (Peter Thiel).
Alternative angle from the lady in pink NSFW https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlux63/altern... Edit mirror https://imgur.com/a/UTDrKz0
Who shoot exactly ? i don't understand anything (not sarcasm, i'm in the airport and can't make sense of the vid)
At the same time, a fifth agent pats him down. He finds a gun (legally purchased and the MN police have said he was permitted to carry). They remove the firearm and walk away.
Then one of the officers yells "he has a gun" and shoots him point blank. Then another officer fires, which looks to kill him and he drops face-down and the officers back away. Finally, one more pulls out his firearm and puts 9 into the back of the victim's corpse - guaranteeing he can't be saved
That's a summary execution in broad daylight. I have no words.
It's a statistical game. Arm people, don't train them well enough, give them a mission. Given enough altercations, some will turn out like this.
Watch this at the 5 secod mark[]. It looks like the agent that picked up the disarmed gun had his finger on it and ND'd the initial shot. He jolts his arm right as the first shot goes off. Then all the other officer panic and fire. Edit: ND = negligent discharge [] https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2015145197965881786
At the rate things are going, I wonder if America can hold together until the midterm. The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war. If anyone told me in 2024 that America may see its own Tiananmen, I'd have laughed, but I'm not so sure now. I can totally see something similar at a smaller scale, and millions of Americans defending it with "it was necessary to keep law and order."
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So democracy is falling in the most militarily powerful country on earth, citizens are being executed and rights stripped… and you think it’s not OK to be angry? You think we just shouldn’t discuss it at all because people are angry? Putting our heads in the sand will not help.
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Someone captured the beginning of the shooting victim’s interaction with ICE. It certainly doesn’t look as though the person is aggressive or brandishing a weapon. The DHS public statement that the victim was going to “do maximize damage and massacre law enforcement” is outrageous… https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324
ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…
> Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter.
I have seen many claims of this sort, but every single time there's been video available of the incident, it's become clear to me that nothing of the sort is going on. The people "being dragged out of vehicles" have been refusing lawful orders and then being arrested for it. The people "simply recording" are physically interfering with ICE going where they need to go to do what they're there to do. "Walking away" doesn't remotely describe anything I've seen.
As for the race issue, the ICE officers I've seen have been considerably more racially diverse than the protesters.
But no, being a citizen does not, in fact, matter if you are breaking federal law in the presence of a federal agent, and that law includes obstruction of federal justice. All of this is extremely clear in law. Please have a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NosECXHMGFU.
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This comment, like many others I've made on the topic, has been completely illegitimately flagged. I'm getting rather tired of that. There's nothing objectionable or counter to guidelines in the above, and all of it reflects my true thoughts based on my actual experience of the discourse, the evidence available to me, the legal code I've researched, etc.
It perhaps just doesn't agree with your point of view.
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So democracy is falling in the most militarily powerful country on earth, citizens are being executed and rights stripped… and you think it’s not OK to be angry? You think we just shouldn’t discuss it at all because people are angry? Putting our heads in the sand will not help.
no, it’s perfectly fine to be angry, I would be very concerned with anyone’s mental health who isn’t angry about this.
> You think we just shouldn’t discuss it at all because people are angry?
Well, if we just want to discuss how angry we are, that’s just called venting. That’s fine, vent. But don’t confuse that with discussion. I don’t find venting about how angry something makes you to be all that compelling most of the time. Sometimes someone distills the issue at hand into something very poetic and poignant, and that can sometimes be cathartic, but other than that it’s just pure emotion being tossed around and it just amplifies hatred.
> Putting our heads in the sand will not help.
Not sure where you’re drawing this conclusion that I’m putting my head in the sand. Or that people posting their outrage on HN are somehow not sticking their head in the sand, as if the dispensing of internet hot takes is somehow “doing your part” (hint: it’s not.)
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Lots of Department of Corrections officers have been recruited as well. There's going to be so many lawsuits after these guys go back to running the Federal prisons with this new attitude.
Yeah, the fact that Democratic state and local governments have tolerated the decades-long slide of sheriffs and prison guards and in some cases even the local police into white nationalist gangs will be looked upon as a strategic mistake.
Cops are doing what they were doing in the jim crow era: enforcing a strict caste system with violence.