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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by UncleMeat »

nullocator wrote: post #183
starkparker wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…

Possessing a fire arm and having an encounter with law enforcement in the united states has long been a death sentence. You can find a multitude of videos online of cops doing stuff like getting the wrong address and beating on someones door and when that person opens the door with a gun in their hand and then the cops open fire, happens all the time.

I seem to recall the Bundys having no trouble pointing guns directly at law enforcement. They became cause celebres for the right.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by hypeatei »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #211
hypeatei wrote: post #201

Video of a federal agent disarming the victim before the others shot him: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the... The lead up also does NOT show the victim threatening these agents in any way, with the gun or otherwise. Instead, they pushed a woman down and this guy tries to shield her and that's when they target him. EDIT: another angle showing the run up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Leakednews/…

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> By definition we know that dems and their publications are only going to show one angle

Umm, are you just being purposefully blind? Every angle is being pushed across social media and everyone has seen them. They're all bad. There isn't some large conspiracy to make these agents look bad, what they did is bad and disgusting. I've edited my comment with another angle to make you feel better.

> But somehow resisting arrest while having a gun on you isn't threatening?

Reaching for a gun is threatening, brandishing a gun is threatening, resisting while possessing a gun is not, no. Regardless, the video shows he was disarmed so why did they mag dump him?

> Or did the ICE agents disarm him without having seen the gun first?

What? That sentence doesn't make sense. I believe they saw it holstered on his waistband after they had tackled him and the one agent came in and took it.

The fact that you're even trying to find a shred of justification after what everyone just watched is also disgusting.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Cornbilly »

testing22321 wrote: post #156
arunabha wrote: post #18

@dang Why is this flagged and removed from the front page in seconds.

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>@dang and other mods - when ICE abduct your kids on the way home from school, kick in your door and shoot people in your street will you feel proud of your cowardly behaviour here?

It won't happen to them because their boss (Garry Tan) is associated with the power behind the thrown (Peter Thiel).

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by malfist »

eudamoniac wrote: post #54
cmurf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the citizen was disarmed by an agent, then executed by an agent, then a different agent emptied a clip into the corpse. https://bsky.app/profile/bradmossesq.bsky.social/post/3md6pi... --- Related, six days ago. Since then, the FBI agent who indicated a civil rights investigation into the shooting of Renee Good was warranted, has resigned. https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcpk34cyu22p

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How does the victim you supposedly saw pull out a gun, do that when he's pinned to the ground with a agent bashing his head repeatedly with an implement?

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by zahlman »

starkparker wrote: post #115
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…

> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence.

This completely misrepresents what happened.

Another source (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chao...) gives another claim from the same police chief:

> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming."

And then, from the DHS:

> ...when a federal agent feared for his life, "an agent fired defensive shots." ... Border Patrol Cmdr. Greg Bovino said that the officer involved in the shooting "has extensive training," and that "the situation is evolving." Bovino added that the incident would be investigated.

(TFA includes the claim of self-defense.)

"Summary execution" and "without due process" is emotionally manipulative phrasing. It falsely implies that LEO use of lethal force is about punishment. It is not about punishment. It is about responding to perceived threat.

All this stuff about permit cards, the victim's lack of criminal history, etc. is irrelevant. It is not connected to the motivation for the shooting. There is nothing to establish that the shooting was "solely for" that possession, and LEO denies that claim. There is no plausible universe in which the officer says "please show me the permit for that weapon", Pretti says "I don't have it", and the officer shoots. But that's the narrative you appear to be trying to push.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by [deleted] »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #189
JKCalhoun wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea.

Yeah, somebody should do something about that. Masked men with guns and unlimited immunity aren't good to have around in your community. Oh, wait, you meant the victim .

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by fzeroracer »

hypeatei wrote: post #222
TacticalCoder wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> By definition we know that dems and their publications are only going to show one angle Umm, are you just being purposefully blind? Every angle is being pushed across social media and everyone has seen them. They're all bad. There isn't some large conspiracy to make these agents look bad, what they did is bad and disgusting. I've edited my comment with another angle to make you feel better. > But somehow resisting…

You can look at his posts over the last month or so here, he's objectively a terrible person that will invent whatever narrative is necessary to justify the murder of individuals exercising their constitutional rights. There's like five different video angles of the incident in question in this thread alone all of which tell the exact story. Flag and move on.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by zqna »

testing22321 wrote: post #209
ninkendo wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So democracy is falling in the most militarily powerful country on earth, citizens are being executed and rights stripped… and you think it’s not OK to be angry? You think we just shouldn’t discuss it at all because people are angry? Putting our heads in the sand will not help.

Yes, you should discuss only what is allowed. If you use the technology to dissent against your rulers, then it should be switched off (until you come back to your sense and submit yourself to the mercy of mulas).

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by goatlover »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #101
jimt1234 wrote: post #83

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It's always been strange to me that Americans are allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights...until they get killed by police. Then they should've known not to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea.

Same goes for law enforcement, but it's a Constitutional right that the right does not want to amend.
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