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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by JKCalhoun »

jimt1234 wrote: post #83
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

It's always been strange to me that Americans are allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights...until they get killed by police. Then they should've known not to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by maxerickson »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #86
rich_sasha wrote: post #55

IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best , increasingly shady legality. I always understood that the USA is built on a delicate balance of power between the federal and state governments. But here the federal government is sending thugs who, masked or unmasked, are brazenly killing people in bizzare circumstances. And the best the state can do…

Make it illegal to enable any commercial transactions within the state supporting federal agents. No food sales, no fuel sales, no hotel stays, no medical care, no rental cars. Make them drag their supply chain in like the Middle East. In state economic deplatforming.

Make it illegal to enable any commercial transactions within the state supporting federal agents. No food sales, no fuel sales, no hotel stays, no medical care, no rental cars. Make them drag their supply chain in like the Middle East.

In state economic deplatforming.

You're gonna prosecute Minnesotans for accepting cash?

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dragontamer »

softwaredoug wrote: post #99

This is probably a good day to take time away from social media. Doom scrolling won’t do anything Instead there’s DHS funding going through Congress which could give Congress leverage to restrict ICE. To be clear ICE will still operate past the funding deadline. But Congress can create limits like mandating allowing states to investigate these crimes. Restrict who can carry firearms. Write your senators and ask them…

I completely forgot about the potential government shutdown this week, and how this killing would affect it....

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by i_cannot_hack »

gpt5 wrote: post #57
perihelions wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "interesting new phenomenon" Pardon me, but summary executions in the United States taking place in broad daylight, with seeming impunity, is very much a new and novel phenomenon, and incredibly interesting to many of us. These are events of historic significance.

I hate to break it to you - but officers killing people in the US is not new.

It seems you are purposefully removing all the specific context to be willfully indifferent.

You would need to actually grapple with the specific context to be convincing. Otherwise you could just as well respond to a police officer smuggling an automatic weapon into the senate chamber and unloading the magazine into the lawmakers with "hate to break it to you - but officers killing people in the US is not new".

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by JKCalhoun »

throwaway89201 wrote: post #35
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reminder that /active is the actual frontpage to HN. The landing page is just what the censors allow you to see.

Thanks for the link to https://news.ycombinator.com/active ; didn't know that one. As for the existence of "censors" that don't "allow" you to see anything. That's not how this site works, and your lack of carefulness stating that leads me to downvote that. As much as I hate that anything regarding the rise of fascism in the US get's insta-flagged (by a community, not a "censor"), it's still very easy to find such po…

"…didn't know that one."

Yeah, that's a problem. Not even a link in the header/banner to active.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dragontamer »

timeon wrote: post #100
dismalaf wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

1. The are not going to investigate it. Totally legit right? 2. This regime likes to post deepfakes (even president himself). Why do you have urge to defend these pedophiles?

They're 100% going to investigate, and intimidate, the Red-coat lady in the background, and the dead guy on the ground so that they have political fodder / some kind of character-assassination excuse for why this was all justified.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by JKCalhoun »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #23
arunabha wrote: post #18

@dang Why is this flagged and removed from the front page in seconds.

A reminder that /active is the actual frontpage to HN. The landing page is just what the censors allow you to see.

It should be the reverse. The fontpage ought to be "active"—add a "filtered" link the to header/banner for people that hate seeing politics.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by duxup »

cocomath wrote: post #84
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

Someone captured the beginning of the shooting victim’s interaction with ICE. It certainly doesn’t look as though the person is aggressive or brandishing a weapon. The DHS public statement that the victim was going to “do maximize damage and massacre law enforcement” is outrageous… https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324

ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on.

Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter.

They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law.

Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an encounter

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen...

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin...

In my area all the non white folks don’t come to the bus stop anymore to pickup their kids. Their kids are instructed to race home after school. The schools now have lockdown protocols for ICE. Family businesses opened for decades closed because employees are afraid to come to work.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by toomuchtodo »

maxerickson wrote: post #102
toomuchtodo wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make it illegal to enable any commercial transactions within the state supporting federal agents. No food sales, no fuel sales, no hotel stays, no medical care, no rental cars. Make them drag their supply chain in like the Middle East. In state economic deplatforming.

Make it illegal to enable any commercial transactions within the state supporting federal agents. No food sales, no fuel sales, no hotel stays, no medical care, no rental cars. Make them drag their supply chain in like the Middle East. In state economic deplatforming. You're gonna prosecute Minnesotans for accepting cash?

> You're gonna prosecute Minnesotans for accepting cash?

If supporting domestic terrorism for economic gains, yes. How you provide the support is irrelevant. State charges cannot be pardoned. Based on the general strike this week, good luck finding a favorable jury for aiding and abetting.

"You can just do things." If the federal government files suit, ignore them and keep going while you tie it up in court and run out the clock on this administration. It is easy to forget that supporters of this admin and these actions are in a minority.

Litigation Tracker: Legal Challenges to Trump Administration Actions - https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal...

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