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Post by ryandrake »

wink wrote: post #42
yawboakye wrote: post #27

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worked well for a bit. but then the program became popular and that’s when it hit the curb. terrible loss, imo. it was a brilliant idea to encourage open source work with a token reward. it relied heavily on good intentions, which quickly disappeared with the popularity.

I have one of these and it was really nice in the first 1-n years. People gamified it and then it sucked, but the idea wasn't so bad. One would expect people would not stoop this low for a free T-Shirt.

There is no limit to how low someone will stoop to get even a tiny token for free. I remember a local community fun event from a couple of years ago, which was set up by the library to encourage kids to read. They would count up these reading tokens at the end of it and give some tiny $2 teddy bear to the winners, and of course a bunch of adults swooped in, gamed the system, and all the toys went to them. People are totally shameless assholes when even an insignificant free prize is on the line.

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figassis wrote: post #374
freakynit wrote: post #126

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Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

This is one reason, the other is just fraud. Being from a developing country, I am well aware of the stigma of saying I don't know, which I had to strip out of me as I became an engineer to the point of me being immediately suspicious when someone tells me they know about some moldy complex topic, even if it's in their profession. The fraud part is that I developing countries, almost all activities that require some…

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Post by pixl97 »

NegativeK wrote: post #262
mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> has nothing to do with open source I partially disagree. It does have to do with open source: Github (et al) are about creating a community around an open source project. It's hard to get adoption without a community; it gives you valid bug reports, use cases you didn't think of, and patches. You can, if you want, turn off PRs, issues, and literally any feedback from the outside world. But most people don't want th…

Yea, and before we got issue trackers quite commonly issues and code chunks were shared via email lists that quite commonly had online archives. Think things kind of like the LKML.

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Post by eudamoniac »

raffael_de wrote: post #368
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

I'd argue that the or at least one major reason for the downfall of Stackoverflow (and not just a catalyst) has been a surge of Indian IT people triggering an avalanche of extremely low quality questions and answers. I've been a big fan of SO since about 2010. Not just didn't mind the harsh moderation but actually attribute to it learning how to properly ask a question. But at some point round about 2019/2020 it stop…

Related, every time you see on SO "please mark this answer as correct" it's usually not correct

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Post by zzzeek »

nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can only come from issues.

would be so awesome if github supported all that. probably kills their business model though

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Post by smsm42 »

Cort3z wrote: post #364

I wonder if there is a way to blanket prevent these types of problems. Possible solutions I can think of: - Require an account with a paid service. Fix = require money - Require an account verified with real ID/passport etc. Fix = link to real person - Automated reply system to "waste tokens" if it is an AI that is responding. Fix is increased cost of spammer. - Have some kind of "vetting system" where you get on an…

That would shut down all drive-by contributions, which may not be a good source of big improvements, but are a good source of information about bugs/maintenance issues. I.e. if I find a rare corner case where the code breaks, for an open source project I'd usually take some time to report it properly. But there's no way I'd pay for the privilege or bother to register with my governmental ID.

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Post by pixl97 »

perching_aix wrote: post #317
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #315

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> (...) that's a you thing. You have to be tougher than that. They really don't, lol If a community is full of assholes, unwilling to change, walk away! Don't contribute to what you don't want to support. It's just like voting with your wallet. All contingent on whether you can actually afford to do so though, as usual, but I have a hard time believing that interacting on Reddit would be so essential, especially thes…

With this said, this is one place personal blogs work well.

You can post the problems you find there, and if you're half decent it will be picked up and put in search engines for people that have similar problems.

You at that point don't have to defend yourself, at least directly, to the community.

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Post by pixl97 »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #394

Projects are not going to be so open open their development process if they have to keep wading through emoji-filled and erroneous PRs. The Bazaar doesn't work so well if nobody can get around the piles of manure that are being delivered

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

Should be a highlight of the 2020's decade.

It's not just open projects, it's anything that accepts unvetted information at all. Bug lists full of shit. Forums full of shit. News feeds full of fake shit. Ads full of fake shit. Cultural zeitgeist full of fake shit.

Culture and society has not figured out how to inoculate themselves yet.

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Post by Nevermark »

direwolf20 wrote: post #369
soco wrote: post #366

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Ah so that's what Anthropic's Amodei meant when saying AGI was attained - they actually reached that guy/gal.

Perhaps they meant detained.

Hopefully, retained. But, a tained for sure.
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