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Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by UltraSane »

causalscience wrote: post #44
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

I worked at a company where we had a untouchable manager who had some Brahman caste devs report to him and they absolutely HATED this.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by embedding-shape »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #81

I think this is probably less effective than if there was some sort of "credit" or reputational score for reporting that seems like something GitHub would have the information to implement.

I think one of the last thing I'd like on the web is for Microsoft to start keeping a "social score" for developers who participate in FOSS.

I understand where it's coming from, and I too think the current situation sucks, but making Microsoft responsible for something like that is bound to create bad times for everyone involved.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by freakynit »

cebert wrote: post #135
freakynit wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

> Pay in India is still severely (seriously low, with 12-14+ hour workdays, even more than the 996 culture of China) low for most people. My employer outsources some work to Indian contractors. I know how much we are paying the contracting firm, which is low. Knowing the firm takes a cut before the contractors are paid, I feel terrible for how little they are compensated. I frequently wonder if we’d get better output…

Avoid middlemen in India.. sorry for the word, but they are the biggest leechers. We hate them too here.

India is filled with small one-room service-based companies(the middlemens') that hire interns, for ZERO pay, make them work 12-14 hour days under extremely "humiliating" conditions and then when it comes to giving them internship completion certificate, they demand huge sums of money just to release them... think about it.

As for how you are gonna do without the middlemen, I dont have the anwer yet... ideas are welcome.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by embedding-shape »

latexr wrote: post #150
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #81

I think this is probably less effective than if there was some sort of "credit" or reputational score for reporting that seems like something GitHub would have the information to implement.

> seems like something GitHub would have the information to implement. But not the motivation. GitHub incentives this type of behaviour, they push you to use their LLMs. GitHub is under Microsoft’s AI division. https://www.geekwire.com/2025/github-will-join-microsofts-co...

> GitHub is under Microsoft’s AI division.

Finally an explanation to why GitHub suddenly have way more bugs than usual for the last months (year even?), and seemingly whole UX flows that no longer work.

I don't understand how it happens, do developers not at least load the pages their changes presumable affects? Or is the developers doing 100% vibe-coding for production code? Don't get me wrong, I use LLMs for development too, but not so I can sacrifice quality, that wouldn't make much sense.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by tribaal »

freakynit wrote: post #126
causalscience wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

This is extremely valuable insight for me, a non-Indian manager.

Thanks a lot!

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by mixedbit »

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to better fit the user's needs. To create Free software, you ship sources together with your binaries and one of the OSI-approved licenses, that is all. The currently default model of having an open issue tracker, accepting third party pull requests, doing code reviews, providing support by email or chat, timely security patches etc, has nothing to do with open source and is not sustainable. This is OK if it is done for a hobby project as long as the author is having fun doing this work, but as soon as the software is used for commercial, production critical systems, the default expectation that authors will be promptly responding to new GitHub issues, bug reports and provide patches for free is insane. This is software support, it is a job, it should be paid.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by danaris »

ezst wrote: post #70
Hamuko wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I intensely dislike the idea that we need more AI in order to deal with AI. If I ever need to start using an AI to summarize text that someone else has generated with AI from a short summary, I'm gonna be so fucking done.

I relate, and then realized that's been the basis of spam handling for decades now. It's depressing, and we aren't putting this genie back in the bottle unfortunately.

How so?

Spam, for decades, has been a matter of just shoveling truckloads of emails out the door and hoping that one or two get a gullible match.

Blocking spam, for decades, has been a matter of heuristic pattern-matching.

I don't see how that is the same as "fighting LLMs with LLMs", or how it could be said to be the same as how spam is made and used.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by latexr »

yrro wrote: post #93

Somehow, I knew this would be curl before finishing reading the headline. Good on them!

I was going to add “cURL: “ at the start of the title, but it didn’t fit. The current title is exactly the allowed length, so it seemed more appropriate to keep the message verbatim.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by freakynit »

tribaal wrote: post #155
freakynit wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

This is extremely valuable insight for me, a non-Indian manager. Thanks a lot!

Glad it was of help :)
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