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Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by nelox »

causalscience wrote: post #44
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

This sounds like a real cross-cultural mismatch, but it’s doing too much work with nationality alone. In a lot of Indian (and broader South Asian) work contexts, questioning instructions can be read as challenging authority or admitting incompetence, so people default to executing without asking. That’s often reinforced by education systems and contractor dynamics where producing something quickly feels safer than pausing to clarify.

Add in time zones, language friction, and fear of losing work, and "just run with it" becomes a rational strategy. Meanwhile, many Western workplaces treat clarification and check-ins as professionalism, so the behavior reads as strange or careless.

The key point is that this usually isn’t lack of curiosity or reflection, but risk management under different norms. The pattern often disappears once expectations are explicit: ask questions, check back, iteration is expected.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by latexr »

johnisgood wrote: post #26
hobs wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, no, it is not, because of the opportunity cost of all the other slop. That's what this is all about.

Then no bug reports and no fixes. Sounds good enough.

Of course there are still bug reports and fixes without financial compensation. The proof is all of open-source, including cURL.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by nchmy »

causalscience wrote: post #44
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

selfishness, laziness, lack of self-awareness, lack of shame, etc are obviously universal traits. But cultures absolutely reinforce them to different degrees. Many cultures around the world are built around the sorts of behaviors we both described.

Whereas other cultures have at least some (if not a lot of) resistance to it - eg publicly ridiculing when people step flagrantly out of line. This is good. My impression is that British culture is like this - "taking the piss", or worse, out of people whose egos start to get too large

Edit: what about this comment could possibly be worth a downvote...? Not that I care about points, but it just seems to be an objective assessment of human nature and cultures, without even singling out any cultures that need improvement.

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Post by coldtea »

svantana wrote: post #56
password54321 wrote: post #52

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Taught by whom? Without evidence, this just comes of as a racist trope. FWIW, the Indians I've worked with have all been very honest and dedicated to their work.

Taught by a general culture where this is even conceivable not just as a covert cheat but as a public outlook:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/indian-parents-scale-school-wal...

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Post by chairmansteve »

Hamuko wrote: post #37
skeptic_ai wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why you don’t just put an AI guardian to close or to ask them to change the story. Or shadow ban

I intensely dislike the idea that we need more AI in order to deal with AI. If I ever need to start using an AI to summarize text that someone else has generated with AI from a short summary, I'm gonna be so fucking done.

You're done dude. I'm sure it's already happening.

What are you going to do now?

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by f311a »

hypeatei wrote: post #51

> We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap If shame worked, then slop reports would've stopped being made already. Public ridicule only creates a toxic environment where good faith actors are caught up in unnecessary drama because a maintainer felt their time was being wasted. Ban them, close your bug bounty program, whatever, but don't start attacking people when you feel slighted bec…

It worked well for me when people were stealing my articles, pretending they wrote them. One tweet or mention in Linkedin and the article is gone.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by metalman »

johnisgood wrote: post #32
mikkupikku wrote: post #22

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Subjecting every real contributor to the "AI guardian" would be unfair, and shadow banning is ineffective when you're dealing with a large number of drive-by nuisances rather than a small number of dedicated trolls. Public humiliation is actually a great solution here.

How effective is it against people who just simply does not care?

what you say, is of course the only relavent issue. I can attest to my own experiences on both sides of this situation, one running a small business that is bieng inundated by job seekers who are sending AI written letters and resumes, and dealing with larger companys that have excess capacity to throw at work orders, but an inability to understand detail, AND, AND!, my own fucking need to survive in this mess, that is forceing me to dismiss certain niceties and adhearance to "proffesional" (ha!), norms. so while the inundation from people from India(not just), is sometimes irritating, I have also wrangled with some of them personaly, and under all that is generaly just another human, trying to make by best they can, so....

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Post by ezst »

Hamuko wrote: post #37
skeptic_ai wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why you don’t just put an AI guardian to close or to ask them to change the story. Or shadow ban

I intensely dislike the idea that we need more AI in order to deal with AI. If I ever need to start using an AI to summarize text that someone else has generated with AI from a short summary, I'm gonna be so fucking done.

I relate, and then realized that's been the basis of spam handling for decades now. It's depressing, and we aren't putting this genie back in the bottle unfortunately.
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