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Post by AndrewKemendo »

melvinmelih wrote: post #352
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #230

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> I've seen an interesting behavior in India. If I ask someone on the street for directions, they will always give me an answer, even if they don't know. If they don't know, they'll make something up. Isn’t this the precise failure pattern that everybody shits on LLMs for?

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Almost like…technology embeds the latent behaviors of the data that produced it!

Imagine that

Someone should really write a paper on that (hint: it’s the entire basis of information theory)

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Post by nicpottier »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #137
causalscience wrote: post #44

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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

It is cultural - the whole "not losing face" thing. In a project, I once was squad lead - I was onsite, my squad members were in Bangalore of course. Same experience as you. Once I wanted to talk about a piece of code that we need to improve and refactor, and I was acting in good faith calling the dev that commited that code. When I braught up the code on my screen to start a pair programming, he immediately denied h…

Pretty sure the right move as soon as he said "I didn't write that" was to just say. "It isn't important who wrote it, we all make mistakes, let's see together how we could have done better."

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Post by jen20 »

mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> To create Free software, you ship sources together with your binaries and one of the OSI-approved licenses, that is all.

Untrue. Shopping source with _some_ OSI-approved licenses makes the work Free software. Shipping it with others merely makes it open source software.

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Post by Cort3z »

I wonder if there is a way to blanket prevent these types of problems.

Possible solutions I can think of:

- Require an account with a paid service. Fix = require money - Require an account verified with real ID/passport etc. Fix = link to real person - Automated reply system to "waste tokens" if it is an AI that is responding. Fix is increased cost of spammer. - Have some kind of "vetting system" where you get on an allowed list to report these types of things. Seems not good to me, but perhaps there is something in it.

I wonder how much open source code is lost because maintainers must deal with this type of thing versus the "good" that AI can bring in productivity.

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Post by TingPing »

msephton wrote: post #345
TheDong wrote: post #204

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I've read their reports before. When there's not enough information to reproduce, they do a good job of asking for more information first, and I've never seen a reasonable good-faith report elicit anything overt. If you failed to give them proper reproduction information when asked, then yeah, you were wasting their time and they should rightfully close your issue. I've never seen anyone on the curl team undeservedly…

It says in the curl file that they will ridicule time-wasters in public and here is one pression confirming that it happened to them, yet somehow that's not enough? Come on.

We don’t need anecdotes, every single bug is public. Just looking now I see respectful responses to genuine reports. This document is clearly in response to AI slop and spam.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #114
4gotunameagain wrote: post #94

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To add to that, it is culturally acceptable and even lauded in India to achieve something by "gaming the system", something usually considered unethical in the west (okay maybe less so in the US). I would be ashamed to submit an AI slop PR or vulnerability report. An indian might just say "I have 25 merged PRs in open source projects"

Term for this is "chalaki"

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Post by raffael_de »

nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

I'd argue that the or at least one major reason for the downfall of Stackoverflow (and not just a catalyst) has been a surge of Indian IT people triggering an avalanche of extremely low quality questions and answers. I've been a big fan of SO since about 2010. Not just didn't mind the harsh moderation but actually attribute to it learning how to properly ask a question. But at some point round about 2019/2020 it stopped being fun due to it going from knowledge base to garbage dump.

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Post by direwolf20 »

soco wrote: post #366
fakedang wrote: post #305

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Hence proved AGI = A Guy/Gal in India

Ah so that's what Anthropic's Amodei meant when saying AGI was attained - they actually reached that guy/gal.

Perhaps they meant detained.

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Post by moralestapia »

robofanatic wrote: post #233
moralestapia wrote: post #187

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Since we are talking about LLMs, what I've noticed about the Indian/Pakistani "LLM" is they follow this way of structuring thoughts: 1. They 2. Always 3. List 4. Things ... and end up with a conclusion/punchline/takeaway. I always wanted to ask, is that due to training? I could imagine all schools around there have a specific style, like all their assignments need to follow this general form, and then they just get u…

I bet you haven't seriously communicated with others in a language that is not native to you. You'll probably end up doing similar things if you have to.

I am doing that right now.
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