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Post by 1313ed01 »

mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

I thought about this a lot recently and decided that the small, mostly complete, project I work on now, if I release it (I probably will), I will just post an archive somewhere with the source code, like in old days.

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Post by otikik »

moralestapia wrote: post #187
freakynit wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

Since we are talking about LLMs, what I've noticed about the Indian/Pakistani "LLM" is they follow this way of structuring thoughts: 1. They 2. Always 3. List 4. Things ... and end up with a conclusion/punchline/takeaway. I always wanted to ask, is that due to training? I could imagine all schools around there have a specific style, like all their assignments need to follow this general form, and then they just get u…

Well, imagine that you noticed 3 things instead of only one.

1. The first thing

2. The second thing

3. The last thing

Makes perfect sense in that case.

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Post by SauntSolaire »

eklavya wrote: post #373
koliber wrote: post #212

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I've seen an interesting behavior in India. If I ask someone on the street for directions, they will always give me an answer, even if they don't know. If they don't know, they'll make something up. This was strange. I asked a lot of Indian people about it and they said that it has to do with "saving face". Saying "I don't know" is a disgraceful thing. So if someone does not know the answer, they make something up in…

Every time I hear any Indian trope, I find it interesting that it's only people in online forum who experience it. Somehow none of my non/Indian colleagues over the course of more than a decade have faced these ridiculous situations. They must be unlucky.

Many wouldn't be comfortable discussing this with coworkers.

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Post by unsupp0rted »

figassis wrote: post #374
freakynit wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

This is one reason, the other is just fraud. Being from a developing country, I am well aware of the stigma of saying I don't know, which I had to strip out of me as I became an engineer to the point of me being immediately suspicious when someone tells me they know about some moldy complex topic, even if it's in their profession. The fraud part is that I developing countries, almost all activities that require some…

You’re not allowed to admit it’s fraud. It’s just a cultural difference. You explained it wrong. You didn’t pay enough. You were supposed to try to become their best friend first. Anything not to say “well some cultures just have no problem committing fraud at any opportunity”

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Post by charles_f »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #128
causalscience wrote: post #44

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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Possibly as a consequence of this, what I have observed working with Indians is a very hierarchical structure in which you have a "lead" or "architect" who spells out what to do and how to do it in minute details and micromanages, and "devs" who execute as instructed.

I've worked with offshore a number of times and had to recruit there. Even for mid to junior positions, you'd see most people you interview with senior-lead-architect (over heard a random design discussion at the cafeteria), master-of-the-engineering-quality (wrote disfunctional selenium tests), CTO-confounder-Founding-engineer (unpaid internship for his cousin who had an app idea), expert-senior-executive who managed teams of 60 people (summer job as a goat herder).

I guess that's one way to stand out when you are lost in an ocean of people, working thousands of kilometers away from the white dude exploiting you.

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Post by 8organicbits »

javcasas wrote: post #108
wojciii wrote: post #79

From https://curl.se/docs/code-of-conduct.html : "As contributors and maintainers of this project, we pledge to respect all people who contribute through reporting issues, posting feature requests, updating documentation, submitting pull requests or patches, and other activities" Why have a code of conduct while being hostile to contributors? I think they should handle this differently.

I don't think that telling a LLM to create a fake bug report is "contributing".

There's no mention of LLMs in the link. Humans are perfectly able to generate "crap reports" on their own.

I think the parent is correct in calling out the inconsistency of promoting personal attacks when that is explicitly forbidden in the CoC.

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Post by vablings »

nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

Stuff like this video is a huge source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez8F0nW6S

Check the closed PR's on express https://github.com/expressjs/express

Yikes!

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Post by jcims »

lostlogin wrote: post #354
jcims wrote: post #257

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As a gent with some years under his belt, I have to humbly admit that it was quite late in my career before I realized how much culture influences how people operate. Two separate incidents with two different cultural contexts brought it to the fore about ten years ago. I sought some advice from a senior exec that I was close with and he just laid it out in very unflinching way. It was just one conversation but it ha…

Any chance you could expand that story?

I thought about it when I posted but it felt like an invitation to dunk on the cultures involved. In one case it was a communication pattern that I found to be very unprofessional by an entire team, the other was nearly instant and *intense* conflict between a former direct of mine and their new manager that I got sucked into the middle of.

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Post by wojciii »

brovonov wrote: post #331
wojciii wrote: post #79

From https://curl.se/docs/code-of-conduct.html : "As contributors and maintainers of this project, we pledge to respect all people who contribute through reporting issues, posting feature requests, updating documentation, submitting pull requests or patches, and other activities" Why have a code of conduct while being hostile to contributors? I think they should handle this differently.

They are not contributors, they are spammers. There is a difference. Do you reply to spammers with friendly greetings?

I should really. They are also people. Probably bored at "work" in some slum in Nigeria.

I'll try to strike a conversation with a spammer next time I can't sleep. Thanks for a great suggestion.

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