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Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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post #79

From https://curl.se/docs/code-of-conduct.html : "As contributors and maintainers of this project, we pledge to respect all people who contribute through reporting issues, posting feature requests, updating documentation, submitting pull requests or patches, and other activities" Why have a code of conduct while being hostile to contributors? I think they should handle this differently.

They are not contributors, they are spammers. There is a difference. Do you reply to spammers with friendly greetings?

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

#332

This note isn't going to stop even 1% of the jackasses who would have submitted AI slop. There are much better ways to communicate the intended message. This comes off as childish to me and makes me think that I'd rather not contribute to the project.

Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a fork of curl that addresses it.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

#333

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind

Who cares? That was 30 years ago. How different were computers, programming, and the world back then?

Things change over time. The world is not immutable.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

#334
post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

> Is this cultural?

Absolutely. I've been traveling for the last 10 years and lived in 50+ countries. I believe that all cultures have unique pros and cons and that the cultural diversity of the world is an amazing thing. There are good and bad people everywhere, so I rarely leave a place with such a strong opinion as the multiple times I've been to India. I really wanted to love India because of their rich history and diversity, but I ended up leaving with a feeling that their culture is overwhelmingly objectively bad.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

#335
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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

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Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

#336
post #211

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Free Software sure, that wasn't the point. Open Source, that was exactly the point. Eric S Raymond, one of the original promoters of the concept of Open Source coined Linus' Law: Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow Which definitely points in the direction of receiving bug reports and patches from users of the applica…

Linus’ Law doesn’t really imply anything about maintainers behavior though. As an example, you can imagine maintainers that never update their repos. Every bug fix is a forking of the repo, and people only use the repo with the latest commits. Eventually, the bug count goes down as well!

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

#337

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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

> 996 culture.

I hadn’t heard of this, thanks.

Working 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

#338
post #135

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Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

> Pay in India is still severely (seriously low, with 12-14+ hour workdays, even more than the 996 culture of China) low for most people. My employer outsources some work to Indian contractors. I know how much we are paying the contracting firm, which is low. Knowing the firm takes a cut before the contractors are paid, I feel terrible for how little they are compensated. I frequently wonder if we’d get better output…

I worked for a company that created an Indian subsidiary to cut out the middlemen. The results were the same.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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No, but I have noticed that somehow it's hard for them to say "no". This is impolite apparently. So you ask: "Can you do this before friday" and they say yes and then don't do it at all. Which of course is a lot less polite and causes a lot of friction. However this was a thing 10-15 years ago. Lately I've not seen that.

> Which of course is a lot less polite and causes a lot of friction. Most cultures have this, but it goes mostly unnoticed from the inside because one can read between the lines. "How are you?" can be asked just to be polite, and can cause friction when answered truthfully (rather than just politely, as the cultural dance requires). An Eastern European may not appreciate the insincerity of such a question.

Great example.

I work in a radiology practice and greet patients regularly.

99% of them say the are good/great etc.

It’s quite a striking response when they are limping, bandaged and on crutches.

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