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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by miroljub »

sevenzero wrote: post #379
miroljub wrote: post #374

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Just because you accusse people to be "right wingers" because they don't want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries doesn't make them wrong. If you want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries, go start a fund an fund them privately. For the people that don't know the topic: - yes, German taxpayers are indeed funding bicycle lanes in foreign countries - it's not the only waste of money going to foreign countr…

What people like you dont understand is what we get back from investing into foreign countries. We dont just build bicycle lanes there because we are such nice people.

Can you please explain (ELI style) the great benefits German taxpayers have from the bicycle lanes in Peru?

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by whatevaa »

embedding-shape wrote: post #375
jagrsw wrote: post #361

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I don't know much about corporations, but why business plans are needed at all? I mean, for EU citizens. bank (loans), immigration and investors can be interested, but their interests are not covering every corporation out there.

It's basically a proof of "most basic effort" that you're serious. You could probably note down some stuff on a single A4 and get it approved, it doesn't have to be a 40 page dossier. Kind of like fizzbuzz, just something really simple and most basic to get rid of the "easy scams" and so on. Edit: So "easy scams" are probably the wrong word, I initially wrote "riffraff" because in my mothertoungue that isn't so... di…

ChatGPT, give me a convincing sounding business plans for starting a bussiness in Germany.

Done.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by trilogic »

Europe need to open the pipe to free markets, simply said buy and sell with no damn taxes or restrictions. People is afraid to start a business because of many bullsh.t regulations and taxes, uncertainty and intentional lack of transparency. Doing business shouldn´t be so damn hard, it should not require so many licenses, permissions, burocracy. It should be instead given priority and treated like gold as it is business that move the economy, employ people, create jobs, give you a reason to wake up motivated in the morning and even an incentive and right condition for population growth.

Then 3-5% of the entire money flow goes to private pockets/bankers. Are you f.cking kidding me, an optimal gpd growth is ~3% but we giving it away to some parasite for free? Why, I do not consent nor agree.

This parasites, blood suckers, ignorant puppets, with full power and kart blanch can´t see further then their nose. BUt ofc a parasite kill the host and move elsewhere, so I guess no issues here.

Stop this nonsense throttling damn it, you need to be prosecuted legally for economic murder and sufferance caused because of it.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by [deleted] »

jorge-d wrote: post #397
miroljub wrote: post #363

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> You're complaining that DE tax funds go to the EU? Very curious what you're talking about and your rational. Germany is the biggest net contributor to the EU. The money comes from German taxpayers, who receive disproportionately little value in return.

This is wrong on so many levels. The German economy profits _a lot_ from the membership. You can't just look at the monetary in/out flows to/from EU accounts but to the system as a whole.

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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by tokai »

jurschreuder wrote: post #450

People are completely overreacting how much regulation there is in Europe here. There is more regulations against monopolies and USA BigTech is always crying about that and spreading propaganda about that. But starting a startup is way cheaper in Europe you won't need funding like in the USA even.

HN users has the wildest takes on Europe. Often completely made up, or something specific to one country made out to be true on the whole continent.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by harperlee »

8964689797595 wrote: post #446
jorge-d wrote: post #397

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This is wrong on so many levels. The German economy profits _a lot_ from the membership. You can't just look at the monetary in/out flows to/from EU accounts but to the system as a whole.

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For example, decades of pegging the value of the currency down, thus facilitating exports on a massive scale and thus pushing up the performance of whole industries, without other member states that would have had their currency devaluated being able to compete on prize.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by pegasus »

miroljub wrote: post #363
tietjens wrote: post #290

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> Massive German tax money is already today used for non-national interests. Please elaborate. You're complaining that DE tax funds go to the EU? Very curious what you're talking about and your rational.

> You're complaining that DE tax funds go to the EU? Very curious what you're talking about and your rational. Germany is the biggest net contributor to the EU. The money comes from German taxpayers, who receive disproportionately little value in return.

That sounds an awful lot like the Trump whining about being taking advantage of while bullying countries around the world to do his bidding.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by [deleted] »

kvgr wrote: post #351
peterspath wrote: post #313

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This + only pay taxes where the company is founded, not where you live at that moment in time. That's what the personal income tax is for.. and all the other taxes payed by the individual. That way countries can compete in being the best environment for companies.

Yes please. The whole centre of interest. Form company in Estonia, move yourself to Spain. But hey lets tax the company in spain :D

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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by alibarber »

embedding-shape wrote: post #441
alibarber wrote: post #428

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The Estonian company pays the Spanish resident money to them personally. Indeed it is normal that the Spanish resident has to deal with the Spanish taxes on this money only. If the Estonian company is supposed to be considered a separate legal person based in Estonia, it shouldn't have to deal with anything Spanish.

> If the Estonian company is supposed to be considered a separate legal person based in Estonia, it shouldn't have to deal with anything Spanish. If the Estonian company has employed a person located in Spain, shouldn't the laws of both countries apply to this employment then? The employee lives in Spain, so obviously Spanish labor laws should be followed, and the company is in Estonia, so obviously Estonian law shou…

For labour - the laws of where that labour is actually being conducted are the ones that are followed. Spanish prosecutors can for sure bring a case against an Estonian company if they are not. In theory at least.

But for company tax law, that company is a tax resident in Estonia, not Spain.

Also, we harmonise laws such as traffic laws (for example, in Finland, all solid yellow central lines were painted white) so that people have the chance to work across the whole union as transport operators, why not do the same for entrepreneurs?

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by miroljub »

lifty wrote: post #404
miroljub wrote: post #374

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Just because you accusse people to be "right wingers" because they don't want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries doesn't make them wrong. If you want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries, go start a fund an fund them privately. For the people that don't know the topic: - yes, German taxpayers are indeed funding bicycle lanes in foreign countries - it's not the only waste of money going to foreign countr…

I agree with your characterisation of what is going on, and at some point, the EU states will have to decide for full fiscal integration or for removing the common currency. You can't have a common currency without a common fiscal union. So we either have to integrate more or desintegrate more, this inbetween we have now is not working very well. Speaking as a European, not sure what is better.

Not related to the comment, but in general I agree with you.

You can't have a single monetary system without complete unification, including tax systems, budgeting systems, governance models, retirement systems, benefits. I mean, you can, like we have now, but it's not sustainable, and eventually we all have it worse.

As a European, I would not want to go that way, since I'm afraid such a unified EU will be a bureaucratic monster that is even more centralized than the USA, and way more autocratic than any current EU state.

I'd rather take a step back, dissolve much of the EU's competences, and go back to pure trade union, dissolve the EURO as a currency, and let every member state take sovereign decisions on their own.

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