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Our approach to age prediction

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Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by Jensson »

Retr0id wrote: post #76
samename wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you expect the data collected for age verification will be completely separate from the advertising apparatus? I would expect the incentives would align for this to enhance their advertising options.

I'll almost certainly get used for both, but I believe "adult content" is the primary motivator. If it was just for ads they wouldn't even bother announcing it as a "feature", they'd just do it. Also: "Users can check if safeguards have been added to their account and start this process at any time by going to Settings > Account."

> If it was just for ads they wouldn't even bother announcing it as a "feature", they'd just do it.

Its a feature for advertisers, and investors also wanna know. Did you think you are the customer?

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by peddling-brink »

jampa wrote: post #15

I imagine they're building this system with the goal of extracting user demographics (age, sex, income) from chat conversations to improve advertising monetization. This seems to be a side project of their goal and a good way to calibrate the future ad system predictions.

And also to reduce account sharing. How will a family share an account when they simultaneously make the adult account more “adult”, and make the kids account more annoying for adults.

Lots of upsides for them.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by Retr0id »

Jensson wrote: post #81
Retr0id wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll almost certainly get used for both, but I believe "adult content" is the primary motivator. If it was just for ads they wouldn't even bother announcing it as a "feature", they'd just do it. Also: "Users can check if safeguards have been added to their account and start this process at any time by going to Settings > Account."

> If it was just for ads they wouldn't even bother announcing it as a "feature", they'd just do it. Its a feature for advertisers, and investors also wanna know. Did you think you are the customer?

"you can target ads by demographic" is table stakes

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by fakedang »

Retr0id wrote: post #34

Everyone's saying this is for advertising, but I don't think it is. It's so they can let ChatGPT sext with adults.

Exactly. Advertising will drive away users unless they are slowly trained into it, which will take time, time that Open AI doesn't have.

Meanwhile, the adult market is huge and sureshot revenue from a user base that is more likely to not mind the ads.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by samename »

curtisblaine wrote: post #73

Wait, I don't understand this. Does it mean that they can erroneously predict I'm a minor, covertly restrict my account without me knowing? I guess it's time to cancel my subscription.

Yes, but it's to protect the children! ;) Just scan your face in the app and your restrictions will be lifted.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by embedding-shape »

samename wrote: post #29
jampa wrote: post #15

I imagine they're building this system with the goal of extracting user demographics (age, sex, income) from chat conversations to improve advertising monetization. This seems to be a side project of their goal and a good way to calibrate the future ad system predictions.

Exactly, all under the guise of "protect the children" - a tried and true surveillance and control trope.

For context though, people have been screaming lately at OpenAI and other AI companies about not doing enough to protect the children. Almost like there is no winning, and one should just make everything 18+ to actually make people happy.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by prox »

sodafountan wrote: post #67
prox wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But did it tell on what basis it made that assumption?

Yes, it listed a few of my past questions as reference points. I had asked some questions about Nintendo 64/Dreamcast and Gamecube games. It also used information I had asked it about programming languages and some work-related questions to guess my age. I don't know how OpenAI plans to do this going forward, just quickly read the article and figured that might be a good question to ask ChatGPT. Edit: I just followed…

If they are shielding you giving back answers, doesn’t mean there is a lot of profiling going on behind the screens of all big tech. How close are they to behavioral monitoring?

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by Shellban »

Considering that OpenAI is having trouble getting its models to avoid recommending suicide (something it probably does not want for ANY user), I rather doubt this age prediction is going to be that helpful for curbing the tool's behavior.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by pixl97 »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #63
pixl97 wrote: post #51

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Cool, I'd like you to make a commercial system you sell access to and ensure that it is unsafe. I'll represent the injured and we'll own all your corporate assets, and like will pierce the corporate veil due to your wonton behavior.

What are you on about? Laws are a codification of social norms. I’m not suggesting anything outside of existing social norms. Quite the opposite, I’m suggesting we stop changing them.

That we stop changing social norms? How do you propose that, by making a law?
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