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Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by grecy »

maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

> a few elite hackers can't fight an army of mediocre hackers

Current events prove otherwise.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by jakejake »

maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

Well perhaps they are arguably robbing the rich, but they're certainly not paying the poor.

The reason I don't like TPB is not because of pirating, but rather they are making money from others' work while pretending its about freedom.

It especially annoys me to see fellow programmers getting extremely upset when a software authors work is copied or used in violation with their chosen license. Yet musicians are not allowed to speak up when their work is copied or else they're labeled as greedy and out of touch.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by Retric »

smiler wrote: post #30
maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

A lot of things on TPB are not up for sale in the first place. It's much like YouTube a tiny slice of content is vary popular and much of that is pirated, but for every "Battle at Kruger" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM theres a lot of Let's Play Unreal World 10(1/2) Buy a Boat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JOeQJGDgNw.

As to TPB specificly it's think anime fan subs for nitch shows that are never going to be released in the US.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by solnyshok »

moe wrote: post #29
kennu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article the main vulnerability would be the load-balancer, which is hosted separately. Traffic between it and the cloud instances is encrypted, so that the cloud providers don't actually know they're hosting The Pirate Bay.

so that the cloud providers don't actually know they're hosting The Pirate Bay. When the IP addresses of the 'loadbalancers' are known then it takes any cloud-provider the better part of 5 minutes to determine which of their instances are exchanging how much traffic with those IP addresses. However, if a country really wants to go ballistic on TPB then it'd be much easier to just knock their public-facing IPs out at…

while I hope this never happens, it might finally give impetus to p2p wireless darknet/shadownet/rebelnet... Whatever they will call it then

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by pyre »

mayanksinghal wrote: post #44
strathmeyer wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's encouraging people to pay more for entertainment items, such as music, movies, or television.

No it's not. Take for example India where copyright enforcement is just not existent. People do not buy any software, unless it is Windows when you are buying the branded laptop and it is bundled. Games, movies, TV Shows, Desktop Software and Market apps; everything that is available for pirating, will be pirated. Sure, some part of it is due to the fact that they cannot buy-watch-use this material either due to them…

India also has issues with government corruption, and needing to pay bribes to officials to get anything done. I think that software piracy is the least of the issues there.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by mayneack »

peterwwillis wrote: post #49
Achshar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also they don't get any useful data as all data on cloud providers is encrypted. So providers won't even know they are hosting piratebay.

Who told you that? Any cloud provider can at any time inspect what's running inside a guest, so they'll definitely know it's piratebay (not to mention the metric fuckton of obscure network traffic that make torrents easy to spot). As far as data, cloud providers usually have functions to administrate guest VMs, which would allow a law enforcement agency to peer into the box as well, nullifying any benefit of data enc…

I may be misinterpreting your comment, but the massive amounts of data associated with torrents don't actually go through the trackers. The trackers just manage peers while the data goes directly from one user to another.

(or at least that's how I understood it)

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by contravert »

maeon3 wrote: post #34
smiler wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

The solution is NOT to make the mothership government and computer under your desk the sovreign ruler over what you can and cannot do on your computer, your mind. We are thinking on a decade and century level timescale here. I don't care if some artist or some coder somewhere doesn't get paid for some work well done. The future of our species is at stake here and we are trying to paint a bright future for your great…

While I agree with your ideals in general, I don't think TPB is a paragon we should uphold. TPB is not like "Robin Hood" at all. Have you seen the extremely deceptive ads on each torrent page that looks like the actual download button? The real download button is a small hyperlink, but they are clearly trying to deceive people into downloading whatever malware is linked. It's more like the rich stealing from the rich and poor in this case.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by nym »

mayanksinghal wrote: post #44
strathmeyer wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's encouraging people to pay more for entertainment items, such as music, movies, or television.

No it's not. Take for example India where copyright enforcement is just not existent. People do not buy any software, unless it is Windows when you are buying the branded laptop and it is bundled. Games, movies, TV Shows, Desktop Software and Market apps; everything that is available for pirating, will be pirated. Sure, some part of it is due to the fact that they cannot buy-watch-use this material either due to them…

Indians cannot buy-watch-use digital content legally or easily.

Therefore, Indians do not buy digital content as often as their US counterparts who are able to legally and easily.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by omegaworks »

mayanksinghal wrote: post #44
strathmeyer wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's encouraging people to pay more for entertainment items, such as music, movies, or television.

No it's not. Take for example India where copyright enforcement is just not existent. People do not buy any software, unless it is Windows when you are buying the branded laptop and it is bundled. Games, movies, TV Shows, Desktop Software and Market apps; everything that is available for pirating, will be pirated. Sure, some part of it is due to the fact that they cannot buy-watch-use this material either due to them…

>Sure, some part of it is due to the fact that they cannot buy-watch-use this material either due to them being delay for years or because they require Credit Cards while most Indians have a Debit Card but that is a very small percentage of the entire sales loss.

You believe that this is some part of it. I believe that this is ALL of it. If media companies made it easier for people to get access to media easily and for a reasonable price, piracy will all but disappear.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by omegaworks »

smiler wrote: post #30
maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

>For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for.

You act as though people's consumption of media is this black hole, this void that feeds but produces nothing of value. It can't be further from the truth. People actively market the things they listen to and enjoy. They remix and create new content. They integrate it into their culture and social networks (both the virtual and meatspace ones).

This is value creation at its finest, and yet no dollar amount is placed on it (yet).

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