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Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by Karunamon »

maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

>An important factor in TPB living forever is preserving its image in the hearts and minds of ALL hackers everywhere, worldwide, collectively we can outsmart those who wish to catch us, a small group of us will eventually be defeated, as all robin hoods must be.

Heh, reminds me of the Hacker's Manifesto..

Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.

I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.

http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/manifesto.html

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

#32

Post by tatsuke95 »

smiler wrote: post #30
maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

>For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for.

So, the Robin Hood analogy works perfectly then.

The movie and music companies aren't suffering, artists aren't suffering (in fact, in can be argued that artists embracing the new media world are flourishing), software companies and developers aren't suffering. There is more music, movies and software than ever before.

The whole piracy issue is overblown.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

#34

Post by maeon3 »

smiler wrote: post #30
maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

The solution is NOT to make the mothership government and computer under your desk the sovreign ruler over what you can and cannot do on your computer, your mind. We are thinking on a decade and century level timescale here.

I don't care if some artist or some coder somewhere doesn't get paid for some work well done. The future of our species is at stake here and we are trying to paint a bright future for your great grandchildren.

A future where your children rule over the machine, not where the machine rules over you. In my machine, I may break the law if I choose to do so. the machine under my desk shall not be made into an iron fist of the government. I will fight this to the death. we have your best interests in mind. the internet is going to become a mind, and we need to protect this baby. It is still an infant.

the government has no idea how to raise it, it only knows how to bleed it and tax it. I give this baby a voice.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

#35

Post by zschallz »

adambyrtek wrote: post #25
SquareWheel wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow I don't think bittorent under TOR would catch on. Unless you don't mind waiting two weeks to watch your new movie.

Tor could be used only for trackers, not the actual data.

Note for clarity: The data transfer would not remain anonymous, only the trackers facilitating it.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

#37

Post by RobAtticus »

haakon wrote: post #17
S4M wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's gonna be hard to identify who is usung TOR, and doing so will require to take measures that will be against freedom, like controlling what people are installing on their computers.

It's very easy to identify most people who use Tor (almost all nodes are publicly available). You can't know what they use it for, but if merely using it becomes illegal, the secret police will have a very neat list of houses to visit.

Perhaps something like this work[1] could be useful to make it harder to shut down even if the list of nodes is public.

[1] http://sns.cs.princeton.edu/projects/cor/

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by strathmeyer »

smiler wrote: post #30
maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

Actually, it's encouraging people to pay more for entertainment items, such as music, movies, or television.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

#39

Post by smiler »

tatsuke95 wrote: post #32
smiler wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

>For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. So, the Robin Hood analogy works perfectly then. The movie and music companies aren't suffering, artists aren't suffering (in fact, in can be argued that artists embracing the new media world are flourishing), software companies and developers aren't suffering. There is more music, movies and software than ever before…

Just because developers, musicians, artists etc aren't suffering doesn't mean that it's right or should be encouraged.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

#40

Post by antidoh »

zllak wrote: post #28

Something that could be "funny", if that governments, when they don't understand something, they just call it outlaw/illegal, as they almost did for P2P. That's not because someone make a bad use of something that the whole thing must be considered as dangerous. How long before the "cloud" is declared illegal by governments ? :)

They could require licenses, so that corporations can make money while individuals have less freedom.
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