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Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
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Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
>For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. So, the Robin Hood analogy works perfectly then. The movie and music companies aren't suffering, artists aren't suffering (in fact, in can be argued that artists embracing the new media world are flourishing), software companies and developers aren't suffering. There is more music, movies and software than ever before…
Just because developers, musicians, artists etc aren't suffering doesn't mean that it's right or should be encouraged.
I see you are in Britain, where copyright originally developed. As I recall, the history was a couple of publishers trying to bloody each other (1). It had nothing to do with whether a merchant wanted to transcribe copies of Hamlet to share with friends practising for the local theatre production 50 years after Shakespeare's death. The principle profits had already been wrung out.
In the US, the copyright exists To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts (2). It essentially is allowed to exist with the hopes that on average it will further the common good, but it is limited because even at the time, there was a good deal of skepticism about that monopoly power. With regards to music and the visual and performing artists, I think many might actually argue that they are expressly uninterested in meeting the definition of "useful": "Art is art and everything is everything else." (3). But even if we offend them, it must surely be useful to lower the cost music in the air. It must surely be in the public good to reduce the cost of happiness.
I would be interested in hearing why you think right is what you think it is, your understanding of the history of where copyright came from.
(1) http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/free.html
(2) US Constitution, Article 1, section 8, clause 8
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#43It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…
And then they will move exclusively to TOR. And then TOR will be outlawed and anybody using it will be sentenced to 20 years in prison.
A handful of countries attempt to block Tor and only two (China and Iran) do it seriously, using deep packet inspection (still doesn't work because of obfsproxy, duh). Even though, not even China and Iran outlawed it.
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.
Actually, it's encouraging people to pay more for entertainment items, such as music, movies, or television.
No it's not. Take for example India where copyright enforcement is just not existent. People do not buy any software, unless it is Windows when you are buying the branded laptop and it is bundled.
Games, movies, TV Shows, Desktop Software and Market apps; everything that is available for pirating, will be pirated. Sure, some part of it is due to the fact that they cannot buy-watch-use this material either due to them being delay for years or because they require Credit Cards while most Indians have a Debit Card but that is a very small percentage of the entire sales loss.
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.
>For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. So, the Robin Hood analogy works perfectly then. The movie and music companies aren't suffering, artists aren't suffering (in fact, in can be argued that artists embracing the new media world are flourishing), software companies and developers aren't suffering. There is more music, movies and software than ever before…
Okay what if the story is that the current prices of their items includes some of the cost of piracy. And that it is very unfair to ask those who are being honest to pay for those who aren't.
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.
>For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. So, the Robin Hood analogy works perfectly then. The movie and music companies aren't suffering, artists aren't suffering (in fact, in can be argued that artists embracing the new media world are flourishing), software companies and developers aren't suffering. There is more music, movies and software than ever before…
"The movie and music companies aren't suffering, artists aren't suffering (in fact, in can be argued that artists embracing the new media world are flourishing), software companies and developers aren't suffering. There is more music, movies and software than ever before.
The whole piracy issue is overblown."
In real world economics, you argument actually supports the exact opposite. When supply increases and demand decreases, the ability for an artist to sell enough music to live on gets exponentially harder.
When a few people buy the music, then spread it by piracy means its not just the artist and music companies who are losing money. It's the producers, the mixers and dozens of other technical people not making a million dollars when Jay-Z's new album sells 10K copies in the first week.
The piracy issue is overblown only to those who have never experienced it first hand. It's not just the artist and the big music companies you're hurting, there's a ton of lower level people who work in the industry who are suffering because of piracy.
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor" No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for. I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.
The solution is NOT to make the mothership government and computer under your desk the sovreign ruler over what you can and cannot do on your computer, your mind. We are thinking on a decade and century level timescale here. I don't care if some artist or some coder somewhere doesn't get paid for some work well done. The future of our species is at stake here and we are trying to paint a bright future for your great…
> The future of our species is at stake here and we are trying to paint a bright future for your great grandchildren.
I didn't know being able to watch Game of Thrones 30 minutes after it airs on HBO via your computer without paying was such a dire thing.
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
The solution is NOT to make the mothership government and computer under your desk the sovreign ruler over what you can and cannot do on your computer, your mind. We are thinking on a decade and century level timescale here. I don't care if some artist or some coder somewhere doesn't get paid for some work well done. The future of our species is at stake here and we are trying to paint a bright future for your great…
> The future of our species is at stake here and we are trying to paint a bright future for your great grandchildren. I didn't know being able to watch Game of Thrones 30 minutes after it airs on HBO via your computer without paying was such a dire thing.
The threat isn't not watching Game of Thrones. The threat is not being permitted to own and modify open general-purpose tools at all, because they happen to be able to play Game of Thrones.
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
(a) You have to find out what cloud provider (b) You have to raid 2 cloud providers (c) what if they have 4 backup cloud installs ready to go live? You take out the 2 there, and then 2 more in a different, unknown hosting company go live.
Also they don't get any useful data as all data on cloud providers is encrypted. So providers won't even know they are hosting piratebay.
Who told you that? Any cloud provider can at any time inspect what's running inside a guest, so they'll definitely know it's piratebay (not to mention the metric fuckton of obscure network traffic that make torrents easy to spot).
As far as data, cloud providers usually have functions to administrate guest VMs, which would allow a law enforcement agency to peer into the box as well, nullifying any benefit of data encryption while the box was online.
Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof
#50and even in the event they [cloud providers] found out it would be impossible for them to gather data on the users. The encryption key that is providing disk encryption on the VM instances would be accessible to the VM host. The VM host could also directly access the memory of the VM instances to read the disk cache, etc.
I think that quote was made because the writer was confused about what happens during live operation, and what happens during the time when communication was cut. The host could potentially sniff the traffic during live operation by sniffing the memory of the vm. But when the vm's communication is cut, the whole disk is encrypted. I expect this encryption to be done using some sort of public/private key encryption sc…
With whole disk encryption, the disk is always encrypted. While running, the decryption key is stored in memory and used to decrypt/encrypt blocks. When communication is cut, they are presumably purging the key from memory. The password would need to be entered to produce the key.
This means that while the system is running, the key can be read by the host. It doesn't matter is the key is later purged. Changing the key requires re-encrypting the entire disk which is a slow operation.