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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ToucanLoucan » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:21 PM UTC

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #514

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #309

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Respectfully, this is cheap cope. The bomb maker didn't know when he made the bomb, maybe. Now he knows, as do all the people turning the gears on this meat grinder, including a bunch of people here. If you value your comfy life over the well being of others and the future of not only the country, but without an ounce of hyperbole, the human race, then keep your head down. If you don't, fuckin DO SOMETHING. You know…

>If you value your comfy life over the well being of others and the future of not only the country For people who think borders are just lines, our country as geography doesn't even exist. It's just lines. For people who think that all people are the same, everywhere, and deserve to go where they please, our country as a people doesn't exist either. So if that's your conception of a country, why should I care about i…

I don't believe borders should exist, but they do. If you say otherwise you are simply in denial. Borders are promises of violence made by nation-states, which I also don't believe in, which nevertheless exist and are harming people.

Whatever ideological differences we may have, need to be shelved. We can bicker about that later. For now, the border of the U.S. exists, and it's killing people.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by KAMSPioneer » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:22 PM UTC

gamerdonkey wrote: post #589

xyzelement wrote: post #465

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I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

> As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the first time in his life, because the park in his Brooklyn neighborhood has become a shanty town and he can't work out there. Okay, first off, I am just very confused by this sentence. How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working? Does he work from his home in Brooklyn? Is the school located in the park? Does he…

> > As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the first time in his life, because the park in his Brooklyn neighborhood has become a shanty town and he can't work out there.

> Okay, first off, I am just very confused by this sentence. How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working? Does he work from his home in Brooklyn? Is the school located in the park? Does he want to work in the park but is force to work at the school? I know this isn't the most important part, but I haven't been able to parse the story.

So just to clarify, GP said he was being prevented from _working out_, i.e. exercising.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by xyzelement » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:22 PM UTC

gamerdonkey wrote: post #589

xyzelement wrote: post #465

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I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

> As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the first time in his life, because the park in his Brooklyn neighborhood has become a shanty town and he can't work out there. Okay, first off, I am just very confused by this sentence. How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working? Does he work from his home in Brooklyn? Is the school located in the park? Does he…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by potato3732842 » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:23 PM UTC

xyzelement wrote: post #564

afavour wrote: post #488

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I don’t think data supports this. Polling has shown a lot of people who voted Republican in 2024 (Latinos especially) have snapped back again already, at least partially because of what ICE is doing. ICE are terrorizing a city and its residents no matter what their immigration status is. Even someone who strongly wishes to curb illegal immigration should have a problem with that.

I would bet that's true just on a statistical level - but my point is that plenty of people still feel that way, or at least have felt that way recently enough about the underlying problem that won't cause them to riot. There's an interesting other angle that I heard about "terrorizing a city" type thing -- there are many million illegal immigrants in the US who entered in just the last few years, when the prior admi…

>I would bet that's true just on a statistical level - but my point is that plenty of people still feel that way, or at least have felt that way recently enough about the underlying problem that won't cause them to riot.

Exactly. If people you hate are getting in a fight you're staying right there on the porch and that's how a lot of the country feels right now.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:23 PM UTC

BuckRogers wrote: post #601

ceejayoz wrote: post #581

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> Laughable for you to suggest that I'm the one with the ideological bent. I'm hardly suggesting it. > recovering from internal bleeding in his chest Guy had a bruise. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/ice-ag... "Internal bleeding covers a wide range of severity, from minor bruising to life-threatening injuries… The day after the fatal Jan. 7 shooting, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem told reporters Ross…

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> I actually don't have an ideological bent…

This works better if we can't see your posts.

> you assume the officer's injuries are minor.. First, you don't know that.

I do know that, as he was released from the hospital same day.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by alpine_accentor » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:23 PM UTC

andrewvc wrote: post #521

alpine_accentor wrote: post #458

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It makes perfect sense to concentrate law enforcement in a state that is in defiance. Even if the absolute numbers are low, the state cannot back down from enforcing the law because some people are resisting. Otherwise you invite anyone to disregard any law they don’t like. The state won’t allow this and the only way to overcome this is either to change the law or toss out the government, and only one options is real…

I mean this idea of defiance is absurd. People here are 99.9% exercising their constitutional rights. The majority of crimes happening at this moment are ICE infringing on people’s constitutional rights. I appreciate you sharing your perspective but that logic exists in isolation from the reality. ICE are so bad at policing they are creating more crimes than they are solving. Of course with the Trump FBI the message…

ICE officers are bad at policing because they were a paper pusher/investigative agency which should always be assisted by local law enforcement. Most of the other feds operate like that. The administration dramatically increased ICE workload and in addition to that the local police is not always cooperative, and they are being obstructed by protesters. Of course they are fumbling around and making lots of mistakes, but again, they can not give up on enforcing the federal law.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by _bohm » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:23 PM UTC

alpine_accentor wrote: post #597

_bohm wrote: post #487

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I think most people involved in protests would not characterize the thing they are resisting as merely "law enforcement". What they are experiencing is an occupation by a politically weaponized paramilitary organization which is going door-to-door in their neighborhoods wearing masks, wielding ARs, yelling at people and brutalizing them. How do you think you would react if this was taking place in your community?

Of course the brutality is not desirable, but to stay in perspective, what would you suggest they do to still enforce the law efficiently but without this forcefulness? They can’t do it the normal way when they are constantly watched and their targets are warned beforehand by whistles and apps and they can’t and shouldn’t back down on enforcing the law.

I don't accept the framing that this is about law enforcement in the first place. I believe that this administration is run by xenophobic right wing extremists who care little for the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. They have weaponized ICE against the Somali community in Minneapolis today, the overwhelming majority of whom are legal refugees. As we have seen, they will not hesitate to weaponize ICE against anyone else who crosses them. I believe the organization does not exist to protect or serve the interests of the American public and should be abolished.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by tastyface » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:24 PM UTC

xyzelement wrote: post #465

embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

I suspect that these people misattribute poverty and urban decay to illegal immigration when it’s largely a home-grown issue -- in large part due to a concerted effort from right-wing media to slander those immigrants.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:24 PM UTC

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #621

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #514

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>If you value your comfy life over the well being of others and the future of not only the country For people who think borders are just lines, our country as geography doesn't even exist. It's just lines. For people who think that all people are the same, everywhere, and deserve to go where they please, our country as a people doesn't exist either. So if that's your conception of a country, why should I care about i…

I don't believe borders should exist, but they do. If you say otherwise you are simply in denial. Borders are promises of violence made by nation-states, which I also don't believe in, which nevertheless exist and are harming people. Whatever ideological differences we may have, need to be shelved. We can bicker about that later. For now, the border of the U.S. exists, and it's killing people.

> Whatever ideological differences we may have, need to be shelved. We can bicker about that later. For now, the border of the U.S. exists, and it's killing people.

The ideological differences are, in no small part (directly or implicitly) over whether the border should exist and whether it killing the people it kills is a good or a bad thing. Can’t really just shelve that.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by array_key_first » Thu, Jan 15, 2026, 6:24 PM UTC

jr-throw wrote: post #576

simianparrot wrote: post #469

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The perspective that is constantly missing from these one-sided ICE threads on HN and Reddit (but often exposed in videos after the fact): What are the civilians/protesters actually doing in these situations? This kind of "I'm a sovereign citizen, you can't touch me" behavior used to be rightfully belittled by the same crowd only a few years ago.

Yeah, all those sovereign citizens going to their... doctors appointments? Really? This is how far we're shoving the boot up our ass these days? Okay.

Look. We have so much evidence of misconduct by ICE that the only reasonable thing to do is just assume there is misconduct. There's no Le Enlightened Centrist take here - these people act like gangs, and have zero respect for Americans citizens or their property.