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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ceejayoz »

BuckRogers wrote: post #566
ceejayoz wrote: post #157

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43675045 (showdead on) > This is really over for anyone who opposes us. The Lord saved Donald Trump from assassination and is using him as His instrument. The cognitive dissonance to continue to resist the Will of God and will of the people which are united, is just pure bitterness of loss and defeat. Let's be honest, you aren't gonna believe video, either. It's a matter of litera…

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> Laughable for you to suggest that I'm the one with the ideological bent.

I'm hardly suggesting it.

> recovering from internal bleeding in his chest

Guy had a bruise.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/ice-ag...

"Internal bleeding covers a wide range of severity, from minor bruising to life-threatening injuries… The day after the fatal Jan. 7 shooting, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem told reporters Ross had been taken to the hospital, but he was released and home with family... DHS declined to answer USA TODAY's additional questions about the injury."

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by xyzelement »

newfriend wrote: post #538
embedding-shape wrote: post #501

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> it's because you come in from a perspective of not wanting the underlying problem solved Where is this assumption coming from? Of course I don't want people to break the laws of the country or immigrate illegally, I never argued for that either. What I don't understand, if Obama managed to throw out more illegals than Trump did for the same duration of time, yet with a lot less chaos and bloodshed, and you truly wa…

There is a huge difference between turning people away at the border and tallying a "deportation", and removing people from the interior of the US. The flow of illegal aliens crossing the border has largely been eliminated. [1] > should you favor a more peaceful and efficient process? Instead of a more violent and less efficient process? I want a process that actually works. There has been no serious headway made in…

I saw you were briefly downvoted but you're correct. The number and % of illegal immigrants in the us has shot up in an unprecedented way during the prior administration, meaning whatever techniques could be argued to have worked earlier (although to your point, did they work?) may not be adequate to current scope of problem.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by Steven420 »

chaps wrote: post #570
Steven420 wrote: post #513

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Most of those are shorts clips that do not show the context of the situation. These sorts of clips are what is causing people to believe the actions of federal agents are not justified when they actually are. When the initial clip of Renee Good came out people thought that the she did not drive into the agent but now that other angles have come out it is clear that she did hit the federal agent. It is always importan…

It's as if you're trying to find every excuse to just not research on your own; instead you expect everyone to feed you information Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_mi...

I have been keeping up to date on the videos coming out. The video you posted shows Renee obstructing

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by embedding-shape »

potato3732842 wrote: post #552
embedding-shape wrote: post #448

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> Personally, I think that needs to be a massive general strike across every major city. Yes, this tends to be really effective, especially when you're fighting the upper-class, which is more or less what's happening here as far as I can tell. Get all the cleaners, cooks, hotel workers and other "servants" to strike, pool up to fund a salary-light for them while they strike, and you'll see changes quickly as the uppe…

>Yes, this tends to be really effective, especially when you're fighting the upper-class, which is more or less what's happening here as far as I can tell. You're not fighting the upper class. It's the blue collar workers and the people who hire them who support ICE and strict immigration.

That's true, when workers are not aligned with each others, some get confused who is actually on your side vs against you, and frequently they believe the upper-class will protect them and provide them with support and wealth. I don't think I even have to share examples of how this works out in practice, yet for every revolution it keeps happening with the same results more or less.

You are fighting the upper-class, while some of the working-class people are mislead to fight on the other side. Slowly but surely they'll realize where to go, but often the promises of wealth and what not gets to strong for the individuals to at least try to move up.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ceejayoz »

mosura wrote: post #574
ceejayoz wrote: post #547

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> yet you do not hear the left in the US saying at all that this was a problem Sure you do. The left has been very critical of this sort of police militarization. They gave the cops an M1 Abrams to play with, FFS.

No, they merely complain when it is deployed against them, as with ICE. Otherwise Waco would be a rallying cry of the US left, and it isn’t.

From "a problem" to "rallying cry" is a pretty neat goalpost move.

Leftists have long warned that expansions of government power (in general) and police militarization (specifically) are most likely to be eventually used against leftists.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by advisedwang »

welcome_dragon wrote: post #520
advisedwang wrote: post #470

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My understanding (and I couldn't get past the app paywall) is that Palantir is joining databases from many different federal and state agencies, including passport and driver license photos. The app then allows you to scan a phase and it finds a match. It returns information on the person found, including citizenship. The existence of this technology means that ICE can grab anyone they want, scan their face , and ins…

NGL this sounds like pretty basic technology

Eh, joining these datasets can be challenging. Names can be spelled differently or changed, dates of birth can be off, people can share names and dates of births, addresses change and are can be expressed in multiple ways, databases may store names as a single string or separate fields, middle names may be missing or initials, databases might not share IDs etc. So it's kinda hard to do well although nothing really exciting technology wise.

This, incidentally, is why the "confidence score" is needed. And why the app frequently gets data (including citizenship) wrong.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by rybosworld »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

> Why are Americans so passive?

I think it's important to realize how divided the U.S. is right now. Half the country is in favor of what ICE is doing in some form or another. Some people on the right are denouncing the _way_ ICE is accomplishing this. But they are far from outraged.

The other half of the country is as dumbfounded/shocked as the rest of the world.

This isn't like the French revolution where a majority of the country was suffering and rose up against the few.

This is very nearly 50% of the country wants to make the other 50% squirm.

It cannot be understated the role that Fox News has played to get us to this level of division.

The channel "The Necessary Conversation" has some good examples of just how radicalized some American's have gotten. It's 2 kids interviewing their MAGA parents. I think it's not uncommon for American's to know people like the parents in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hSysuwHw4KU

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by [deleted] »

ch2026 wrote: post #266
stackghost wrote: post #45

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This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by gamerdonkey »

xyzelement wrote: post #465
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

> As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the first time in his life, because the park in his Brooklyn neighborhood has become a shanty town and he can't work out there.

Okay, first off, I am just very confused by this sentence. How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working? Does he work from his home in Brooklyn? Is the school located in the park? Does he want to work in the park but is force to work at the school? I know this isn't the most important part, but I haven't been able to parse the story. Edit: others explained that this is "work out" there, and not related to being a janitor. Thanks. I feel the rest still stands.

Further, I don't understand how what is happening is supposed to solve the "underlying issue". How does 3000 federal agents breaking windows and shoving people in Minneapolis help a Brooklyn community poor enough to become a shanty town? It would be like if I, in my job, had an backend outage on our website, and I went to the design team and began berating them while I fixed a couple UI issues. Sure, I might solve some real problems, and it could feel good in some cathartic way (especially if I've had unanswered complaints for years). But I wouldn't call it "fixing the underlying issues".

I believe it is most likely that the people who still support this style of enforcement have been hurt much like you, some acutely but many just slowly over time, and have bought into the idea that some "other" is at fault. And they want to see that "other" dealt with in some way, any way. Even if it means people get hurt, because they themselves have been hurt. So why not the "other"?

But I don't believe a shanty town in the most populous city what is supposed to be the richest and most prosperous country on Earth is caused by the poorest few percent of people living here. I don't think an illegal immigrant in Minneapolis is at fault, even if they have a "criminal background" (insidious phrasing that inflates numbers by lumping in people who may have paid their debt to society). I don't want to see people hurt.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by chaps »

Steven420 wrote: post #583
chaps wrote: post #570

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It's as if you're trying to find every excuse to just not research on your own; instead you expect everyone to feed you information Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_mi...

I have been keeping up to date on the videos coming out. The video you posted shows Renee obstructing

I'm not attempting to dispute whether or not she was obstructing.
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