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The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

#41
In China, the social contract at least is "you give up some individual freedoms and some privacy, never dissent against the government, and in exchange the government promises you prosperity"

I wonder what the Brits get in exchange for their giving up of personal freedoms?

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s going on over here? You have ICE thugs executing citizens and being defended by the government while doing so

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Interesting how you think being shot by authorities is less bad than being talked to for shitposting on X

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Starmer is the least popular Prime Minister, I believe, ever.

He wins or draws on every measure of unpopularity, other than YouGov net satisfaction where Liz Truss still beats him.

It's a problem with pretty much anyone. Things are bad from a fundamental structural failings for decades, elect new person, don't see immediate turn-around, they're massively unpopular.

The only way out of this is if you successfully blame $marginalised_group for the peoples problems. Or spend decades undoing the damage, but nobody ever gets decades in power.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

#45

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

Also never look at what current government is going to do with the framework, but what future much worse government could use it for.

Does it get worse? They are making a benchmark that is hard to beat.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

#46

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

> So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort. You forgot gun control. That's the first thing they took away. Thereafter, freedom after freedom has been made optional by the government [1]. When government becomes overreaching, and you don't have the means to protect yourself and your rights, that's where it goes. [1] I said "government", but probably "regime" wo…

i’m absolutely, concretely and overwhelmingly fine with the concept of gun control here as a uk citizen.

i say this as someone who did target rifle shooting as a kid. so, i’ve been around weapons in a positive way.

the controls are a good thing.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

#48
> The focus of policing is also shifting. As street crime continues to fall, more attention is directed toward protest, dissent, and the perceived risk of unrest.

Does street crime in fact continue to fall? I keep hearing about bicycles getting stolen, or how in London, mobile phones get snatched. It was also common to hear how police fails to prosecute various kinds of crime (usually mentioned in contrast to how they do prosecute noncrime crimes such as 'hate speech').

Here, for comparison, is a paragraph from an essay by Konstantin Kisin:

> A month earlier, I was walking through a posh part of London when I saw a young man in a balaclava snatch a bag from a tourist. When I told people about what I saw at various meetings, most people were surprised that I was surprised. Phone thefts, muggings and all kinds of petty crime are now considered normal and routine.

Which story is correct?

[0] -https://www.konstantinkisin.com/p/theres-good-news-for-brita...

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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post #26

This is a thousand times as concerning in the context of London than in the context of Baltimore. It addresses a concern that doesn't exist for the UK public, in a way that appears intended to oppress from the start, against a backdrop of arresting thousands of pensioners for disagreeing about a genocide.

The only people being arrested in the Uk are for supporting a proscribed group.

A group that broke a police officers back with sledge hammers, committed multiple acts of vandalism against our military, and have tons of links to Hamas

They can oppose Israel action in Palestine, they just can’t support terrorists

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