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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by klaff »

0xy wrote: post #201
npodbielski wrote: post #35

"EU shadow cabal" funny considering that he then mentions running for help to US politicians.

Probably because the admin has been vocal and proactive about extraterritorial overreach by European countries hellbent on global censorship programs. The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Both of those countries also attempt to censor speech OUTSIDE of their own countries too. https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

>The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany.

Source?

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by joe_mamba »

Kelteseth wrote: post #291
joe_mamba wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to end the EU. How is the "far right" gonna end "the EU"? When my GF walks alone at night through the parks she's never EVER afraid of the mythical far right for her safety, but the other people the far left won't let us talk about without being called a label and being cancelled from MSM for having common sense opinions. So if the EU were to find…

You're making it sound way more dramatic than it is [1]. And yes X is a far right echo chamber that twists the narrative so that the extreme right get the most support out of it. X is the biggest help for foreign power to sow discord among us [2] [1] https://www.dw.com/en/crime-statistics-knife-crime-drugs-lif... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

oytis wrote: post #273
subsistence234 wrote: post #265

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Western Europe is not an authoritarian dystopia by any measure. Economic growth or lack of thereof is absolutely irrelevant here

I mean they've certainly turned their back on classic western values like free speech and expression.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by jacquesm »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #279
qsort wrote: post #135

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Also Italian. I think everybody sucks here? Most Italian authorities like this one are chock full of incompetents, and I'm almost sure they're just caving in to some soccer broadcaster or some crap like that. He might very well be fully correct on the fact of the matter. Still, the rhetoric of the post is frankly disgusting. No, I'm not taking lessons in democracy from JD Vance, thank you very much. No, I don't think…

> No, I'm not taking lessons in democracy from JD Vance, thank you very much You are falling into a trap where you can not recognize a true point because it is made by someone you disagree with. I don't condone Vance or the Trump admin. He is right about European governemnt's attacks on free speech.

And you are falling into the trap of thinking that if a person is busy deconstructing what used to be one of the larger democracies in the world that their other words are going to be taken at face value, which obviously is not going to happen.

We're not discussing Pol Pot's views on cooking either, even though he might have had some valuable insight. Bringing up Vance and Musk in polite conversation to bolster your argument is - especially in the context of Europe, which both men seem to have declared to be enemy #1 before Russia and China - a little tone deaf.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by oytis »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #282
oytis wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western Europe is not an authoritarian dystopia by any measure. Economic growth or lack of thereof is absolutely irrelevant here

> Western Europe is not an authoritarian dystopia by any measure People are locked up in the Germany and the UK because they criticize the government, its politicians or their policies. I live in Germany.

Who is locked up for criticizing the government in Germany? You can be fined for insulting a government official, and I think it's a bad law and should be retracted, but a) insulting is not the same as criticizing and b) I've never heard of a single person locked up because of it - you'd basically need to deliberately refuse paying the fine for that

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

bflesch wrote: post #85
cubefox wrote: post #74

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If the German filters only apply to ISPs in Germany, they have no effect on users in foreign countries. Moreover, Cloudflare is obviously not an ISP.

Do you think the Italian bureaucrats really want to ban something in France or Germany? The Cloudflare CEO is clearly misinterpreting something that was lost in translation, which is the bureaucrats stating "Cloudflare must prevent access to XY from everywhere". For bureaucrats "everywhere" means "in my jurisdiction". I cannot believe that the Cloudflare CEO is trying to nitpick around a single word that he so clearl…

> Do you think the Italian bureaucrats really want to ban something in France or Germany?

Yes 100% they absolutely do.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by jimnotgym »

wmf wrote: post #133
ben_w wrote: post #62

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At this point, I'm wondering to what extent all this batting is driving the EU calls for digital sovereignty, and to what extent those calls will be turned into actions.

EU can't build so if they firewall themselves from the US they'll just have a pretty empty Internet.

We actually have websites in Europe, including the very first one.

We had more before Reddit and Metabook centralised so many.

I think we will be fine thanks

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by youngtaff »

0xy wrote: post #201
npodbielski wrote: post #35

"EU shadow cabal" funny considering that he then mentions running for help to US politicians.

Probably because the admin has been vocal and proactive about extraterritorial overreach by European countries hellbent on global censorship programs. The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Both of those countries also attempt to censor speech OUTSIDE of their own countries too. https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

> The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media

Not true… and those that were jailed were convicted for inciting racial hatred and most of them admitted the offence

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #225
iamnothere wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is taking place in a larger geopolitical context. He is applying whatever pressure that Cloudflare can apply on its own (not much), and he mentions Vance as a way to call for US administration help at a time when the US is entering an open economic conflict with Europe. Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict. IMHO this is a time when there are no good players. I support CF’s fight to ke…

"Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict" The only conflict is that Europeans don't want Russian Misinformation and Manipulation from foreign powers onto them. It's no accident that Musks X serves preferentially content from European Far-Right Parties. The US used the same argument for their TikTok-Ban/Forced Takeover. They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to e…

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