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Which other speech?
He banned any mentions of bluesky and substack. When Paul Graham alluded to making an account and to view his thoughts there, he was also banned
Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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#222Italian here. If somebody wants to read the full document about the fine (in italian) it's here: https://www.agcom.it/sites/default/files/provvedimenti/delib... Part of this doc states: ``` The rights holders also declared, under their own responsibility, providing certified documentary evidence of the current nature of the unlawful conduct, that the reported domain names and IP addresses were unequivocally intended…
>as usual, a law was created without verifying how the implementation of such law would work in practice (something very common in Italy), and this is the result.
This is everywhere.
The reason is you DONT want a law to be too detailed with tech mumbo jombo. If too detailed, it will get outdated. See that USA crypto wars ban in the 90s.
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Italy is much more powerful than Cloudflare is. The only sensible thing for him to do is to rush to who will protect him. If the Italian authorities would protect him from capricious use of DNS blocking requests from La Liga or Serie A or whoever he would rather go there but they won’t. It’s an old story. You make a guy’s life hard and the next thing you know he’s working with your enemies even though he’d rather be…
Your context window is too small, you ignored all my input.
Besides, I hope this isn't yet a minority stance on here, a democratic state is hopefully more powerful than a company, yes, indeed. The mode of a state captured by the biggest enterprises isn't really something we should run to, right?
What mr. twitter account could have done is vent all his outrage, without normalizing all that other shit. Then he has media attention and most likely some public debate, unlike many other sufferers whose life are less interesting. And you know what? The people could have found that he had a point! He could have triggered some further debate in parliament, some adjustment from the law makers. You know, the usual, normal way of respecting the rule of law, especially when you heavily disagree with one aspect of it.
Because that is what is meant by participating in what we call democracy.
I am sorry for my lack of sugar coating, but man do I get upset by the normalization of anti-democratic thinking here.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
My conspiracy theory is that the EU is actively trying to create their own cloud through regulation after seeing the economic success from china's internet companies after the great firewall.
> EU is actively trying to create their own cloud Unfortunately, the EU is not nearly coordinated for such a thing. And even if they were, regulation is not what will make it happen. EU is in a crisis of financial (VISA, AmEx) and software services (AWS, MS, Google) being almost entirely provided by USA. They are not going to dig themselves out of the hole by regulation. For contrast, USA is (largely) dependent on Ch…
> It seems to me that this is the way nations take control of their problems. Unfortunately EU seems incapable.
Incapable of being a nation I guess
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
#225Not a good look on that guy to list his "pro-bono" services and threaten to pull them while asking JD Vance for his help. How is he expecting the Milano-Cortina 2026 Winter Olympics to influence some representative of media right holders who have fined Cloudflare? Is he assuming that just because all of the listed things are Italian they can just make the fine go away?
This is taking place in a larger geopolitical context. He is applying whatever pressure that Cloudflare can apply on its own (not much), and he mentions Vance as a way to call for US administration help at a time when the US is entering an open economic conflict with Europe. Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict. IMHO this is a time when there are no good players. I support CF’s fight to ke…
"Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict"
The only conflict is that Europeans don't want Russian Misinformation and Manipulation from foreign powers onto them. It's no accident that Musks X serves preferentially content from European Far-Right Parties.
The US used the same argument for their TikTok-Ban/Forced Takeover. They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to end the EU. They even wrote about this in their new National Security Strategy
Pure Hypocrisy
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#227The appeal to an open internet from Cloudflare to Elon and Peter Thiel's stuffed toy is evidence this is not about freedom of speech but a political game. The AGCOM requests are inane and the so-called "Piracy Shield" sponsored by sports team corporations currently eyeing VPNs needs to go and those responsible for it must pay, but this doesn't make this right, either. And the current USA "cabal" isn't shadowy, rather right up your face, mocking you every day.
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Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please don't take HN on generic ideological tangents of flamewar tangents.
You may not owe $CEO better but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.
All of this should be clear if you've reviewed https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html recently.
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#229I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…
> i’m italian unfortunately this preamble doesn’t add the weight you assume it should. what has being italian got to do with having an opinion on this? this and all the other “italian here” takes below. fwiw unless eastdakota is being intentionally malicious, he, with the cloudflare legal team, understands the situation and its implications for cloudflare better than any random italian.
Cloudflare is talking about Italian law and Italian policy and making comments about his actions they will take in Italy with Italian users specifically.
“Italian here” as in “I am not a random person with no skin in the game / I live in the country and presumably am more well informed on the policy he is talking about.
If there was a post about a law in nyc, I think it would be helpful to hear takes from New Yorkers.
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#230"EU shadow cabal" funny considering that he then mentions running for help to US politicians.
Probably because the admin has been vocal and proactive about extraterritorial overreach by European countries hellbent on global censorship programs. The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Both of those countries also attempt to censor speech OUTSIDE of their own countries too. https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...
There are no "European Global Censorship Programs".
Maybe try to get your information elsewhere than Fox News (based on the Nonsense in all your recent comments)