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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by swlkr »

danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

My conspiracy theory is that the EU is actively trying to create their own cloud through regulation after seeing the economic success from china's internet companies after the great firewall.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by pannolino »

danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

Another italian here; while this whole situation is bad and piracy shield is definitely not the solution, having the cloudflare CEO that threatens to remove free-tier service makes me wonder. They offer a free pill, just to be the "powerful" guys that threaten people when they are paying some million euros.

Well done my friend. :-) I'm already moving websites off cloudflare. bye!

P.S: I believe piracy shield is a s*t idea naturally.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by carlosjobim »

bflesch wrote: post #63
alanfranz wrote: post #49

Italian here. If somebody wants to read the full document about the fine (in italian) it's here: https://www.agcom.it/sites/default/files/provvedimenti/delib... Part of this doc states: ``` The rights holders also declared, under their own responsibility, providing certified documentary evidence of the current nature of the unlawful conduct, that the reported domain names and IP addresses were unequivocally intended…

I also wonder why he felt emboldened to escalate like this. Maybe he thinks Italy is so small it can be slapped around by a rage post on Twitter? There's a DNS blocklist from media industry applied by German ISPs and I assume Cloudflare was also asked to block these websites, so why didn't I read a story about Cloudflare making a big stir about the German DNS blocking?

What is the escalation? Cloudflare or any company is free to stop doing business in any country which mistreats them or doesn't align with their interest. How can you interpret this in some way as Cloudflare being the aggressor? They don't owe the nation of Italy anything.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by bflesch »

romanhn wrote: post #130
elAhmo wrote: post #40

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Oof, Cloudflare has been one of the most interesting tech companies for me, and one I would have worked for in a heartbeat. But the MAGA pandering in this tweet is quite disappointing. I get it, running a large business in the US these days requires a certain amount of bootlicking, but still. And I say this while generally agreeing with Matthew's stance.

The "haters" who long ago have warned about the risk of Cloudflare MITM'ing global website traffic have been proven right. In the end, Cloudflare is another mass surveillance tool next to Meta/Google/Apple which will be weaponized in the interests of the current US administration.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by socalgal2 »

danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

> He phrases it to be as if the free tier is a favor Cloudflare does to the world, as if it's not obviously a loss-leader designed to get more people into the Cloudflare ecosystem.

It can be both. I run many open source websites behind cloudflare.

It's the same as github. All the free hosting and free CIs and free issues/discussion forums, and free code review for open source repos (90% of all open source projects?) happens to be a a loss leader as well.

Both are still a huge free contribution to the world. They don't have to do it. They could just have zero free anything.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by epolanski »

Dotnaught wrote: post #31

By "shadowy cabal of European media elites," is Prince referring to elected Italian officials? What have they asked Cloudflare to ban?

This is about football streaming, the cabal media elites are right holders fighting illegal streams, which 1.1.1.1 bypasses even if filters are put at the ISP level.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by robinhood »

sammy2255 wrote: post #128
robinhood wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not every comment about Germany requires a mention of a dark past.

Doesn't require it, but in this case it sure is relevant

It does not, since the context is absolutely not the same. Closing a major piracy actor VS actions that led to a world war.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by epolanski »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #39
thrance wrote: post #7

> I appreciate @JDVance taking a leadership role in recognizing this type of regulation is a fundamental unfair trade issue that also threatens democratic values. And in this case @ElonMusk is right: #FreeSpeech is critical and under attack from an out-of-touch cabal of very disturbed European policy makers. Pretending to take a principled stand against censorship but then randomly throwing flowers to two of the bigg…

He knows the only way he wins this is if the current US Administration goes to bat for him.

He can't win this, at best he can quit Italy and not offer any services there.
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