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Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by thaumasiotes »

octoberfranklin wrote: post #615
TechSquidTV wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When crypto was genuinely new, and I was young, I had hope that one day we might actually embrace micropayments. Turns out I was not only young, but stupid.

Ignoring the cryptocurrency angle for a second (to avoid distracting knee-jerks)... Have you thought deeply about why micropayments have not been embraced?

All transactions include several kinds of costs. Reducing the monetary costs to zero does nothing for the other costs.

Enthusiasm for micropayments is very similar to enthusiasm for cutting the price of something from $5.001 to $5.00000001. It's a 0.02% decrease in the price! They make about as much sense as saying "hey, if I can buy 80,000 plastic ninjas for $500, I should also be able to buy one ninja for $0.007".

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by thaumasiotes »

somenameforme wrote: post #96
simplicio wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but on the otherside, ads make available a huge amount of media and services to people who would otherwise be unable to afford it. Like, I suspect a non-trivial percentage of people wouldn't have email if it weren't for gmail and other free w/ads services.

Most internet services are very low cost to offer for any company that has some infrastructure setup already. So for instance 'back in the day', before Google hoovered up everybody's email, what would typically happen is you would get an email address with your ISP.

> So for instance 'back in the day', before Google hoovered up everybody's email, what would typically happen is you would get an email address with your ISP.

Well, no, not even close. You'd get an email address from your ISP. You still do; nothing about that has changed.

Among the things that haven't changed is that you were more likely to use a free online email service, most notably Hotmail or Yahoo.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by djtango »

DrewADesign wrote: post #603
orbital-decay wrote: post #520

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Attention engineering is how the charts are topped. Media producers knew this decades before the social media, and perfected it by the late 90's. Avoiding extremely popular stuff is just common sense if you want any real authenticity.

Oh, but then you’re the much-maligned hipster .

I introduced myself to my now wife as an accidental hipster:

- I brewed my own kombucha (I have GI issues and I am so lactose intolerant that even kefir and yoghurt would give me a reaction)

- I ride a bicycle everywhere (I exercise daily and like to stay active, bicycle is often the fastest way around London)

- I buy expensive locally farmed produce (the quality is usually night and day vs other sources)

There were plenty of other signals by which I superficially seem like a hipster but my wife would attest I'm the opposite of an actual one.

In the words of my ever wise mother "keep the good bits, leave the rest"

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by ranguna »

echelon wrote: post #314
anigbrowl wrote: post #291

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If your revenue comes from parasitical strategies it's negative sum and the economy is better off without it.

Are you seriously trying to argue the world is better off without YouTube? I derive incredible value from YouTube. It wasn't always great, but it is recently full of extremely good educational content, tech talks, independent journalism, how-tos, independent film and animation, and so much more. I'd wager that you use and benefit from a lot of services that are paid for via advertising. Even public transit is subsidi…

Parasitic strategies != ads

The regulation was about unskippable ads, not ads in general.

I agree with the op and I don't agree that we are better off without YouTube. It's not hard at all to understand the op, so I'm not sure why you misread them and jumped to conclusions that all ads are parasitic and asked if we're better off without YouTube. Was that rage bate or did you really think the op was talking about all ads?

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by larodi »

hoherd wrote: post #170
larodi wrote: post #76

Was this posted automatically or why it reads Vienam? Without the T! And the title also reads so?

I posted it with the original article title. I'm not sure who changed it, but yeah, there is a typo which also exists in the linked article.

Indeed it first had no T, and s.o. changed it. Also raises questions reg the original title.

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Post by whazor »

bko wrote: post #112
_jab wrote: post #13

I've often wondered whether the world would be better without ads. The incentive to create services (especially in social media) that strive to addict their users feels toxic to society. Often, it feels uncertain whether these services are providing actual value, and I suspect that whether a user would pay for a service in lieu of watching ads is incidentally a good barometer for whether real value is present. Don't…

Better from whom? As a user, maybe. But if you're trying to compete, it's incredibly useful to get exposure. For instance, suppose you run a competitor to Salesforce and you want to buy the Salesforce keyword because you provide a better product. I don't know how you would bootstrap that otherwise. If anything the big businesses use advertising as a protection moat. As a small business, I would def prefer to be in a…

A big part of advertising on Google is making sure your own brand is the top result. This is essentially extortion from Google. Companies are burning money on something that should be the default result in Google.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by haritha-j »

tpmoney wrote: post #555
haritha-j wrote: post #101

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I wonder if there's a middle ground, where you only have statement based, textual ads. Amusing ourselves to Death (great book btw), discusses how until the 19th century, ads were basically just information dense textual statements. The invention of slogans and jingles was the start of the slow downfall in ads. I interned at an ad agency once, and I really enjoy creative advertising, but frankly there's just way too m…

> until the 19th century, ads were basically just information dense textual statements. I'm curious how does this account for "town criers" and the like? And there seems to be quite a few examples of less "information dense textual statement" in some of the articles on Wikipedia about advertising [1] [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_advertising [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_card

I'm not an expert, but looking at those articles, most of the illustrated and colour designs seem to have become popular in the 19th century, though I do see a few illstrated examples from the 18th century as well.

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Post by hylaride »

jdwithit wrote: post #636
rkomorn wrote: post #480

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This is exactly something I hate about the current state of things. Interacting with a company/organization immediately turns into a lifelong "legitimate relationship" that supposedly entitles them to contact you forever and ever.

I "love" the ones that randomly decide to reactivate literally years after unsubscribing and never interacting with the business again. The other day I randomly got an email from a yoga studio I once bought my wife a gift card from. We moved and neither of us has been there since 2021. Why on earth am I suddenly getting spam 5 years later. I get similar messages from hotels many years later too. Sometimes ones I didn…

I now militantly use apple’s “hide my email” function for this reason, though it doesn’t really work when you “need” to give your email address in person (I have a “junk” email address that’s normally turned off on my devices for those people)

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by hdgvhicv »

catapart wrote: post #14

Not a great regulatory move, in my opinion. But I really wish ad companies would implement this rule across the board. If you can't sell me on your ad in 5 seconds, it's unlikely you can sell me on your product in 15 or 30 seconds. And if your product is of any interest to me whatsoever, I'm happy to continue watching the ad. I sit through movie trailers and tech ads all the time, even with an option to skip. But I h…

I’ll sit through a trailer. The first time.

When it comes up the 10th time though there’s no way I’ll be watching the film it advertises, no matter how much I might have done after the first time.

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