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Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by al_borland »

layer8 wrote: post #426
rick_dalton wrote: post #239

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So instead of buying ad space we can now buy catalog space and reinvent the wheel.

The principle would be that companies aren’t allow to buy placement. It would be like a phonebook.

That would require regulation, as a catalog maker isn’t going to turn down what is effectively free money. This also doesn’t translate well to a physical store with more constraints on space.

I recently got a catalog where everything was on pretty even footing. There was the occasional photo with someone wearing stuff, but it was a smattering of random brands, big and small. Nothing in it looked paid for. It was a catalog of stuff made in the US. The meat of the catalog was text that listed 1 item in a category per brand, when the brand may have had hundreds. A brand with literally one product was indistinguishable from a major brand. I actually found this quite frustrating as a potential buyer. If I was interested in a category I had to manually go to every single website to see what they actually had and if it was something I was interested in. There was no way to cut through the noise, other than my own past experience with companies that had some brand recognition (from advertising elsewhere).

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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xp84 wrote: post #371

If you were giving out free cookies at the front of your store intended to thank shoppers for coming in, and someone reaches in and grabs one while running past, that's an ad-blocker. Not the most ethically justifiable[1], but legal. This law though is saying that if you have a person at the door who makes sure you are at least browsing the store before giving you a free cookie, that practice is now illegal. This is…

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Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by Aerroon »

tensor wrote: post #264
al_borland wrote: post #90

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As much as I hate ads, I don’t know that it’s so simple. There are products that do solve legitimate problems people have. Maybe there is less of that now, but in this past this was very true, and advertising helped make people aware that solutions to their problems have been developed. The first washing machine, for example. The problem comes when the advertisement manufacturers problems that didn’t previously exist…

The fix is actually fairly simple IMO, though will never be implemented. Make all ads passive, e.g. require people to explicitly ask to see them. For example, when I want to see what new video games are around, I go to review sites and forums. It's opt-in. Making all ads only legal in bazar-like environments, banning all other forms of "forced" ad viewing, and also banning personalized ads completely, would go a very…

But you are buying into viewing ads when you use services that show you ads.

Also, ad bazaars sound great until you realize that every locality needs to have their own bazaar. Seeing ads for New York barbers is kind of useless when you're in Los Angeles. Now you have a million ad bazaars and that's the only advertisement allowed. A little bit of corruption and your ads outshine all your competitors in that locality and they go out of business, since signs are an ad too.

Also also non-personalized ads mean that the only things that can be advertised online are digital goods or things that are available globally. Basically, it will work for Amazon and AliExpress but that's about it. And adsls in Russian or Japanese or Korean or German or French or Swedish or Portuguese aren't going to be that useful for you, are they? Ads in English but for a product in another country might be even worse.

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kube-system wrote: post #292
xoxxala wrote: post #72

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Mr. Beast on youtube is guilty of that. Matt Parker of Standup Maths fame did an in-depth look at how that works. Whoever came up with that type of progress bar must hate people in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0OU1yJD-c

> Whoever came up with that type of progress bar must hate people in general. My first thought is that the person has a strong grasp of their profession and they love money. A hack like that has to have a really high value/effort ratio.

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Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by kube-system »

gtowey wrote: post #432
kube-system wrote: post #316

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There are no successful economies without ads. Ads are a necessary evil for effective market discovery. They should be heavily regulated but you can't effectively operate a market economy without one.

I understand what you mean, but I would modify this statement a bit: There are no successful economies without information exchange . Discovery can happen without advertising -- if you consider that the main feature of ads is that it's unwanted information distribution.

There is not any real-world economy that has implemented that information exchange in the absence of activities that would be accurately described as advertising.

Even thousands of years ago in illiterate societies people would advertise their goods/services via verbal campaigns, drawn pictures, songs, etc.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by al_borland »

layer8 wrote: post #429
carlosjobim wrote: post #218

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Brands pay stores for shelf space. How would you stop that in practice?

By making it illegal? Brands can still compete on price and quality.

Grocery stores are a low margin business. If you make selling shelf space illegal, they lose that revenue and will have to raise food prices to stay in business. This isn’t a good outcome. I also question if the shelves would even changes much. They will probably prioritize their high margin products, which doesn’t sound any better.

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Post by shuntress »

phantasmish wrote: post #152
al_borland wrote: post #90

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As much as I hate ads, I don’t know that it’s so simple. There are products that do solve legitimate problems people have. Maybe there is less of that now, but in this past this was very true, and advertising helped make people aware that solutions to their problems have been developed. The first washing machine, for example. The problem comes when the advertisement manufacturers problems that didn’t previously exist…

This is what a fucking store is for . They have catalogs. You could ask for one. If they think people will want something they will try to sell it and will tell you about it if you go looking . I see this pro-ads argument all the time and it’s so obviously-stupid that I’m truly baffled. Is this the kind of lie ad folks tell themselves so they can sleep at night?

Yes, the store has a catalog. They want you to see the catalog, so they pay someone to tell you that the catalog exists.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by josephg »

DrewADesign wrote: post #437
Groxx wrote: post #185

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I'm fond of the ones with a fake close button, so tapping it just launches the ad's site. Instant uninstall and 1-star. (Yes, I know it's mostly the ad's fault, but there's no practical way to punish them directly. So force apps to pick better-behaving networks.)

As a sometimes designer, i don’t think there’s any distinction between punishing the ad and the company. The company bought the ad, probably directed its creation, and decided what its criteria was for success. 1-star away as far as I’m concerned.

I feel the same way about newsletters.

“Hey you bought socks that one time! Want more socks??” -> Unsubscribe.

“Hey it’s your weekly sock news! What’s new in socks!” -> But I unsubscribed! Haha no, you only unsubscribed from the “product releases” list. Not the “weekly news” list or our 10 other fabulous mailing lists!

-> Report all emails from this domain as spam. May god have mercy on your soul, cute socks.

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Post by rkomorn »

josephg wrote: post #479
DrewADesign wrote: post #437

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As a sometimes designer, i don’t think there’s any distinction between punishing the ad and the company. The company bought the ad, probably directed its creation, and decided what its criteria was for success. 1-star away as far as I’m concerned.

I feel the same way about newsletters. “Hey you bought socks that one time! Want more socks??” -> Unsubscribe. “Hey it’s your weekly sock news! What’s new in socks!” -> But I unsubscribed! Haha no, you only unsubscribed from the “product releases” list. Not the “weekly news” list or our 10 other fabulous mailing lists! -> Report all emails from this domain as spam. May god have mercy on your soul, cute socks.

This is exactly something I hate about the current state of things.

Interacting with a company/organization immediately turns into a lifelong "legitimate relationship" that supposedly entitles them to contact you forever and ever.

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