If skilled workers can't come here, then the businesses who need them will just open up satellite shops there. Not an opinion on H-1B, just an observation.
Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress
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The question I think is more interesting is why can't Canada retain talent?
The question I think is more interesting is why can't Europe retain talent?
When I was a kid in the US people told me "you can do anything! Anyone can be president! Just set your mind to it!"
Now as someone raising kids in Europe the general sentiment is "The system is rigged, don't even try, anyone with nice things got it through avarice or corruption, nothing ever changes" (to be fair, I've lived in only two European countries, but this seems to be a common sentiment that varies primarily in scale - it was utterly atrocious in Ireland)
As smarmy and unrealistic as the first one is, I'll take it over the latter.
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#43I would be incredibly curious if the mods could look into the stats of these political threads. I personally feel they are being manipulated at least through the voting system if not through active bot influence campaigns.
It might be me being emotional about this and about seeing a country I looked up to becoming what it's becoming, but I just can't comprehend how some of the people in this otherwise great community can look at this and think it's the direction they want for their country.
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The question I think is more interesting is why can't Canada retain talent?
The question I think is more interesting is why can't Europe retain talent?
Both questions could fill many books. But having grown up in Canada and having visited Europe, they both seem to have a fundamental disinterest in technology and futuristic-ness, and curiosity in and ambitions about it (relative to the US). There are still techies and nerds, but they are fewer and further between, and more consumerist and casual about it. From personal experience, in the 90's and 2000's, far fewer businesses were interested in websites or using the Internet for commerce, and were slow to adopt it. In Canada, broadband and cellular access lagged far behind the US, and continues to be sub-par and overpriced to this day.
If you did happen to end up with computer-related skills or education, not only was the pay vastly higher in the US, that's where the culture was a lot more enthusiastic about technology (hence why most of the world's major tech companies were founded there). And if your interest in tech extended beyond making money, you probably felt like you would meet more like-minded people in the US.
Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress
#45Not only are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I feel like the current rhetoric in the US doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of the metaphorical baby anymore. The strongest advantage of the US has always been the ability to absorb global talent. I don’t think that is a popular view anymore, and we are instead stuck talking only about stopping abuse that is ultimately still bringing skilled workers to t…
It's worse: we're actively ejecting the global brain drain that has been to our benefit since the post-WW2 era. I know several people on various visas that are making plans to leave after having gotten PHDs here. Still more have naturalized and are making contingencies for exiting. Immigrants found close to half of the fortune 500 businesses, and start something like 20% of our new businesses each year. For those mot…
>and because immigration is what has delayed our demographic inversion that Europe and other developed nations are going through
The birthrate among the most conservative Americans is still over 2.0. From the perspective of the conservative movement in power, it makes sense to halt immigration so the population becomes more and more conservative over time (as immigrants are left-leaning on average, especially Indians).
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worse: we're actively ejecting the global brain drain that has been to our benefit since the post-WW2 era. I know several people on various visas that are making plans to leave after having gotten PHDs here. Still more have naturalized and are making contingencies for exiting. Immigrants found close to half of the fortune 500 businesses, and start something like 20% of our new businesses each year. For those mot…
>and because immigration is what has delayed our demographic inversion that Europe and other developed nations are going through The birthrate among the most conservative Americans is still over 2.0. From the perspective of the conservative movement in power, it makes sense to halt immigration so the population becomes more and more conservative over time (as immigrants are left-leaning on average, especially Indians…
Not really.
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#47This is going to be an interesting take but I think it is plausible that we'll see a quiet growth in American tech companies having even bigger offshore campuses instead. Google Zurich or Google London could grow, Google does hardware in Taiwan and Apple and Intel do hardware in Israel, and pretty much all the big tech companies have the biggest chunk in Hyperbad.
The withdrawal of the H1B means companies can't compete on offering them to attract talent, but that talent still wants to work somewhere and companies can instead complete on the perks they offer at those offshore places.
Things will get interesting if Europe can become the place that US tech companies offer visa support for people to move to though.
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It's worse: we're actively ejecting the global brain drain that has been to our benefit since the post-WW2 era. I know several people on various visas that are making plans to leave after having gotten PHDs here. Still more have naturalized and are making contingencies for exiting. Immigrants found close to half of the fortune 500 businesses, and start something like 20% of our new businesses each year. For those mot…
>and because immigration is what has delayed our demographic inversion that Europe and other developed nations are going through The birthrate among the most conservative Americans is still over 2.0. From the perspective of the conservative movement in power, it makes sense to halt immigration so the population becomes more and more conservative over time (as immigrants are left-leaning on average, especially Indians…
Only a special group of conservatives largely in Utah have the ambition and brains to do much tech work. The rest aren’t very promising, and with the current birth rate, future tech jobs will mostly not get done and the work will move abroad.
Indians and even Chinese, not to mention most of the non-European immigrants, are relatively conservative (socially reserved, self reliant, lots of self responsibility) and are only seen as left leaning in the toxic form of nationalistic conservatism that dominates the USA.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question I think is more interesting is why can't Europe retain talent?
When I was a kid in the US people told me "you can do anything! Anyone can be president! Just set your mind to it!" Now as someone raising kids in Europe the general sentiment is "The system is rigged, don't even try, anyone with nice things got it through avarice or corruption, nothing ever changes" (to be fair, I've lived in only two European countries, but this seems to be a common sentiment that varies primarily…
You should see how American children feel these days.
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I think anyone working with the global talent can tell you there are absolutely no controls around measuring their quality. The skilled talent simply isn't skilled at all. They are willing to engage in kickback schemes. Even the O1 "genius" visa is being given to onlyfans models. Immigration is completely broken and it's by design.
Who are you to claim the talent isn’t skilled at all? Maybe you’re the unskilled, unemployed one who is now asking the rest of us for a protectionist tariff to save your employability. The business owners who are hiring these people are making the choices that are the best for their business, and they’re judging the quality. It’s their money, and they’re betting with it - and confidently too. But let’s assume you’re…
I think the US should prioritize training permanent residence over temporary residents that may take their skills (and wealth) back to their home country.
If the h1b program was a perm residence visa, then your argument holds water. When they return home, they will take their 15 years of experience and offshore their capital.
Whereas if a perm resident had that same job, they would keep their money invested in American businesses (and real estate).
If our goal is to brain drain the world, lets replace the h1b visa program with a program with a clear attainable path to perm residency.