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Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by SilverElfin »

calculatte wrote: post #4
aboardRat4 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Rampant abuse, fraud, nepotistic hiring combined with record high tech unemployment to start.

There is no rampant abuse or fraud or nepotistic hiring. These are just the latest talking points from supremacists on Twitter / X, that they repeat without any evidence, to rage bait the gullible. I’ve not seen nepotistic hiring from my immigrant coworkers, just merit based hiring. Do you really think all these well run and successful companies are leaning into allegedly low skill workers and nepotism because it is good for their business? No - they’re leaning into merit because that’s what is making them great.

If you disagree, share your evidence. Oh and also, high tech unemployment is not a reason to stop the H1B or other programs. If you’re unemployed in one industry, go find another one - don’t steal from me for your protectionism.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by QGQBGdeZREunxLe »

yieldcrv wrote: post #10
aboardRat4 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

no OP, but I can answer one way: the US has very many visa programs, including half a dozen to a dozen work visa programs this one particular visa program is politically radioactive, as if it is the only work visa program, and it doesn't accomplish its stated goals in hardly any way until that can be settled I think and the program ironed out, it should be hampered to closed off, a moratorium I would like to see the…

It's poorly labelled.

Highly in demand professionals are eligible for O1.

H1B is the base work visa for those that aren't covered by a trade deal or haven't completed a US university program, or have and completed OPT.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by SilverElfin »

distortionfield wrote: post #7
calculatte wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rampant abuse, fraud, nepotistic hiring combined with record high tech unemployment to start.

There is little reason to believe that low hiring will be improved in any significant amount by removal of the H1B pool.

Yep, all H1B workers combined are less than 500K people. A tiny, tiny portion of the job market, which is like 175 million jobs

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by SilverElfin »

calculatte wrote: post #15
distortionfield wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is little reason to believe that low hiring will be improved in any significant amount by removal of the H1B pool.

Yeah, it should also be combined with the elimination of OPT, H4 EAD, and H1 visas that are harming the STEM industries in the same way to the tune of 6 million jobs. New grads can't compete with the tax benefits provided by hiring OPT workers.

Are they harming the STEM industry, or are they a key reason why these industries are successful? Maybe those workers are just better than you and deserving of those jobs? If you don’t want competition, what you’re asking for is a tariff basically. In other words, you are pro inflation and pro passing on YOUR costs to the rest of us. No thanks.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by TMWNN »

gary_0 wrote: post #20

"Killing the golden goose" is the phrase that has come to mind repeatedly in the past few years. As someone living in a country that has been brain-draining into the US for decades, I'm quite perplexed at all this. It looks like the next Andrej Karpathy (born in Czechoslovakia, educated in Canada) will be taking their talents somewhere besides the US in the future. Maybe they think they can just cherry-pick the geniu…

> It looks like the next Andrej Karpathy (born in Czechoslovakia, educated in Canada) will be taking their talents somewhere besides the US in the future.

Karpathy, with a Stanford PhD, would not have received or needed an H-1B.

This, like the new $100K fee, is about shutting down the Indian body shops that consume the vast majority of "tech" H-1Bs.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by vivzkestrel »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #5

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why do you make it sound as if it is a bad thing? it all depends on how this is implemented. if you take every tom dick and harry from india, you are obviously going to run into issues. why not set a high bar for it

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by RealityVoid »

m00dy wrote: post #25
QGQBGdeZREunxLe wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question I think is more interesting is why can't Canada retain talent?

The question I think is more interesting is why can't Europe retain talent?

Because of the salaries. They are much higher in the US. Also, the SV bay area has an absurd concentration of talent that you probably can't find anywhere else. Having a head start from anyone else helps. But don't worry, I'm sure that in the current climate Europe will be able to gather and retain talent. I personally would be much more happy to work for lower pay than contributing to the prosperity of such a predatory country.

Funny thing, I considered working in the US a couple of years ago but 2 reasons made me give up. The emigration felt hard and confusing as if they didn't want people there. And second, my wife was afraid of the gun violence in the US.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by SilverElfin »

calculatte wrote: post #17
mattnewton wrote: post #11

Not only are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I feel like the current rhetoric in the US doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of the metaphorical baby anymore. The strongest advantage of the US has always been the ability to absorb global talent. I don’t think that is a popular view anymore, and we are instead stuck talking only about stopping abuse that is ultimately still bringing skilled workers to t…

I think anyone working with the global talent can tell you there are absolutely no controls around measuring their quality. The skilled talent simply isn't skilled at all. They are willing to engage in kickback schemes. Even the O1 "genius" visa is being given to onlyfans models. Immigration is completely broken and it's by design.

Who are you to claim the talent isn’t skilled at all? Maybe you’re the unskilled, unemployed one who is now asking the rest of us for a protectionist tariff to save your employability. The business owners who are hiring these people are making the choices that are the best for their business, and they’re judging the quality. It’s their money, and they’re betting with it - and confidently too.

But let’s assume you’re right. Even if 90% of them were unskilled, the other 10% is still incredibly valuable for the American economy and taxpayers. And it’s not even a difficult decision. That “loss” is tiny compared to the extreme benefit we receive, that literally NO other country on the planet can replicate. Unless we give it away, like you’re proposing to do.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by IlikeKitties »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #36
IlikeKitties wrote: post #5

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why do you make it sound as if it is a bad thing? it all depends on how this is implemented. if you take every tom dick and harry from india, you are obviously going to run into issues. why not set a high bar for it

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