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Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by mattnewton »

Not only are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I feel like the current rhetoric in the US doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of the metaphorical baby anymore.

The strongest advantage of the US has always been the ability to absorb global talent. I don’t think that is a popular view anymore, and we are instead stuck talking only about stopping abuse that is ultimately still bringing skilled workers to the US.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by pcurve »

Many large fortune 500 companies have already opened up large offices in India to perform core business operations, so this won't have the intended impact. That ship has sailed. All this is going to do is accelerate the trend.

That will continue to play out until it doesn't make financial or competitive sense to do so.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by calculatte »

distortionfield wrote: post #7
calculatte wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rampant abuse, fraud, nepotistic hiring combined with record high tech unemployment to start.

There is little reason to believe that low hiring will be improved in any significant amount by removal of the H1B pool.

Yeah, it should also be combined with the elimination of OPT, H4 EAD, and H1 visas that are harming the STEM industries in the same way to the tune of 6 million jobs. New grads can't compete with the tax benefits provided by hiring OPT workers.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by intermerda »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #5

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Around 2016-17 I read on a well-known white supremacist site about how people like Trump and Tucker Carlson are going to be so much more effective at achieving their goals than someone like David Duke who state those goals explicitly. Not in their wildest imagination would they have expected this level of success.

Congratulations to you and those folks.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by calculatte »

mattnewton wrote: post #11

Not only are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I feel like the current rhetoric in the US doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of the metaphorical baby anymore. The strongest advantage of the US has always been the ability to absorb global talent. I don’t think that is a popular view anymore, and we are instead stuck talking only about stopping abuse that is ultimately still bringing skilled workers to t…

I think anyone working with the global talent can tell you there are absolutely no controls around measuring their quality. The skilled talent simply isn't skilled at all. They are willing to engage in kickback schemes. Even the O1 "genius" visa is being given to onlyfans models. Immigration is completely broken and it's by design.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by Espressosaurus »

mattnewton wrote: post #11

Not only are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I feel like the current rhetoric in the US doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of the metaphorical baby anymore. The strongest advantage of the US has always been the ability to absorb global talent. I don’t think that is a popular view anymore, and we are instead stuck talking only about stopping abuse that is ultimately still bringing skilled workers to t…

It's worse: we're actively ejecting the global brain drain that has been to our benefit since the post-WW2 era.

I know several people on various visas that are making plans to leave after having gotten PHDs here. Still more have naturalized and are making contingencies for exiting.

Immigrants found close to half of the fortune 500 businesses, and start something like 20% of our new businesses each year. For those motivated immigrants to choose elsewhere is going to reduce our growth both from what they don't do, and because immigration is what has delayed our demographic inversion that Europe and other developed nations are going through.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by gary_0 »

"Killing the golden goose" is the phrase that has come to mind repeatedly in the past few years. As someone living in a country that has been brain-draining into the US for decades, I'm quite perplexed at all this. It looks like the next Andrej Karpathy (born in Czechoslovakia, educated in Canada) will be taking their talents somewhere besides the US in the future.

Maybe they think they can just cherry-pick the geniuses and leave "the rest" but that's not how it works; skilled experts don't just suddenly appear out of the vacuum, you need a pipeline with a wide mouth. It wasn't perfect but the US had the world's best genius pipeline, and it has already been largely torn down.

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