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Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by DrewADesign »

jordwest wrote: post #215
immibis wrote: post #192

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IME it's a real close button but the ad opens the thing when it closes, regardless of how it closes.

A common trick is that the first click on the X will go to the ad, but if you return and click the X again it will close, gaslighting you into thinking you just misclicked the first time. Another trick that I’ve noticed on the Reddit app is that the tappable area is much larger for ads than normal posts. If you tap even near the ad it will visit the ad

Also making the hit area smaller than the close graphic itself is a popular one.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by mulmen »

phantasmish wrote: post #152
al_borland wrote: post #90

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As much as I hate ads, I don’t know that it’s so simple. There are products that do solve legitimate problems people have. Maybe there is less of that now, but in this past this was very true, and advertising helped make people aware that solutions to their problems have been developed. The first washing machine, for example. The problem comes when the advertisement manufacturers problems that didn’t previously exist…

This is what a fucking store is for . They have catalogs. You could ask for one. If they think people will want something they will try to sell it and will tell you about it if you go looking . I see this pro-ads argument all the time and it’s so obviously-stupid that I’m truly baffled. Is this the kind of lie ad folks tell themselves so they can sleep at night?

Catalogs are ads.

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Post by phantasmish »

layer8 wrote: post #421
Auracle wrote: post #359

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Who is maintaining and paying for this directory?

Those who are interested in knowing what services exist.

It's absolutely wild to me that people can have experienced any amount of the Internet and not think "word of mouth" will absolutely wholly suffice to fill the role of informing people about products. Of course many, many people would create and maintain all kinds of lists and review all kinds of products without being paid to. We know this would happen because it has, and it does, even with the noise of advertising around. The early Web was mostly this, outside the academic stuff and, I guess, porn & media piracy. Without ads clogging everything up, it might even be possible to find these folks' websites!

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Post by mulmen »

layer8 wrote: post #426
rick_dalton wrote: post #239

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So instead of buying ad space we can now buy catalog space and reinvent the wheel.

The principle would be that companies aren’t allow to buy placement. It would be like a phonebook.

How do you sort the directory? Alphabetical can be gamed with names like A1 Locksmith. Chronological favors incumbents or spammers depending on direction.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by gpm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #420
layer8 wrote: post #418

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Directories aren’t ads. The crucial feature would be that nobody would have to pay to get listed, or only a small nominal fee that anyone can afford. Like in a phonebook. Paying for placement is what makes an ad. And that’s what would have to be prohibited.

> The crucial feature would be that nobody would have to pay to get listed, or only a small nominal fee that anyone can afford You see the contradiction. You’re essentially saying no bad ads, only good ads, without defunding the difference. (Anyone can afford a Google or Meta ad in the way they could a White Pages listing.)

I'd interpret this as a proposal for two new laws:

1. No non-invited display of paid messaging, period. If you go to a directory and ask for a list of people who paid to be part of that directory, it can show it. If you play a game, watch a movie, take the bus, or search a non-paid directory of sites they simply cannot show you things they were paid to show you. I think I'd call this making attention-theft a crime.

2. No payment for priority placement in paid directories. A paid directory has to charge the same (small, nominal) fee to everyone involved.

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Post by jonny_eh »

amelius wrote: post #226
jonny_eh wrote: post #219

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> I think it would have been a better world without ads. There would be more competition which would improve products and thus outcome for customers. How would people learn about various choices?

> How would people learn about various choices? By going to a website where they can learn about various choices. It could be similar to ads, but with higher truth value to it. AND most importantly, the user would view the information when THEY want to see the information, not when the marketeer wants to shove it in their face.

> By going to a website where they can learn about various choices.

Who pays for the website? In the end, a world without ads gets very pricey very quickly.

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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

kube-system wrote: post #292
xoxxala wrote: post #72

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Mr. Beast on youtube is guilty of that. Matt Parker of Standup Maths fame did an in-depth look at how that works. Whoever came up with that type of progress bar must hate people in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0OU1yJD-c

> Whoever came up with that type of progress bar must hate people in general. My first thought is that the person has a strong grasp of their profession and they love money. A hack like that has to have a really high value/effort ratio.

I was forced to do this as a developer of Flash websites in the early 00's.

I loved making custom progress bars really fun so people didn't mind watching the huge sites download.

I HATED when they had me mess with the time so that it got to 90% really fast and then spent AGES finishing the last 10%.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by olyjohn »

Aerroon wrote: post #364
blibble wrote: post #322

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or install ublock origin and keep your money and the time! while depriving google of revenue AND costing them money win, win, win and WIN

Also decreasing the likelihood of content that you like watching gets made? The creator is being paid from that ad revenue too.

Or maybe they will move to a platform that respects them. Gotta start somewhere.
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