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Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by titzer »

stavros wrote: post #165
titzer wrote: post #147

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> I have fallen asleep watching youtube many times. Interesting new opportunity for YouTube here. Detect your usage patterns and near bed time show you increasingly boring content until you fall asleep, then fill your head with subliminal messages in these long ads.

Why would they help you sleep and take a gamble on subliminal anything working when they can just do it when you're awake?

I'm just spitballing sci-fi here, but maybe subliminal ads work better and their metric asston of computational models have told them so.

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Post by barbazoo »

pixl97 wrote: post #146
barbazoo wrote: post #136

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Is there not always some sort "marketplace" where people see what's being offered one way or another? I don't think we need ads for discovery, I see it more as a nefarious way to occupy space in people's conscious.

>Is there not always some sort "marketplace" How exactly does that work for virtual products?

Not that I ever use it but there are apparently services like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_Hunt people use to seek out new products.

But as sibling comment said, if it's really good, people will find it eventually.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by driverdan »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #154
driverdan wrote: post #138

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YT makes it easy to skip embedded ads now. They mark places where people skip past and shortcut it so you don't need to watch them.

Sponsorblock exists as well.

Sponsorblock is great but only works in the browser. Most people view YT on other devices.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

pixl97 wrote: post #146
barbazoo wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there not always some sort "marketplace" where people see what's being offered one way or another? I don't think we need ads for discovery, I see it more as a nefarious way to occupy space in people's conscious.

>Is there not always some sort "marketplace" How exactly does that work for virtual products?

Catalogs - offline and on-line, commercial and government. Deprived of constant noise and overstimulation of advertising, people will actively seek such information out, whether because they have a problem to solve, or just out of curiosity. All we're talking about here is switching from current "push" model of advertising back to "pull" model.

Who here never browsed a product or company catalog they found, just because they were curious?

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Post by phantasmish »

Auracle wrote: post #167
phantasmish wrote: post #152

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This is what a fucking store is for . They have catalogs. You could ask for one. If they think people will want something they will try to sell it and will tell you about it if you go looking . I see this pro-ads argument all the time and it’s so obviously-stupid that I’m truly baffled. Is this the kind of lie ad folks tell themselves so they can sleep at night?

There are also ads for services. I used to be a photographer, and without my little Facebook/Instagram ads people would have had to largely rely on word of mouth, meaning the more established photographers would absolutely dominate my little rural market even when their photography was worse. Also, I'm not sure we want a world where only the largest corporations get to sell things. That's what would happen if people…

If I go looking for a directory of [service, in my area] that’s hardly an ad! If those include, say, reviews and pricing info, great! Yes, please!

I definitely don’t want that directory to be skewed with ads in favor of those with the most money, or who have decided to burn the most of their limited resources on ads instead of improving their services, lowering their prices, or hell, just taking more profit. The ads were the biggest problem with the good ol’ yellow pages.

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Post by DooMMasteR »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #54

How does television work in Vietnam? Is it all adfree?

nope but freeTV is limited to 10% total ad time, and payTV limited to 5%. Maximum ad time per hour is 4 times 5 minutes and a single movie cannot be interrupted more than two times, a show not more than 4 times. News cannot be interrupted at all and programs shorter than I think 10 minutes neither.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by thfuran »

Aachen wrote: post #157
simplicio wrote: post #70

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Maybe, but on the otherside, ads make available a huge amount of media and services to people who would otherwise be unable to afford it. Like, I suspect a non-trivial percentage of people wouldn't have email if it weren't for gmail and other free w/ads services.

> ads make available a huge amount of media and services to people who would otherwise be unable to afford it. They don't. Follow the money: why do ads power free services? The advertiser needs to expect to make more money in the scenario where they run the ad as compared to where they don't. The viewer must be spending more money in response to having seen it If the viewer doesn't have the money to pay the first par…

>The advertiser needs to expect to make more money in the scenario where they run the ad as compared to where they don't

They don’t necessarily make more money from every user though.

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Post by gwbas1c »

sandworm101 wrote: post #66
jason_s wrote: post #42

I just uninstalled a game from my mobile phone this morning that had heavy ad usage. It was interesting to note the different ad display strategies. From least to most annoying: - display a static ad, have the "x" to close appear soon (3-10 seconds) - display an animated ad, have the "x" to close appear soon (3-10 seconds) - display a static ad, have the "x" to close appear after 20-30 seconds - display an animated a…

I have fallen asleep watching youtube many times. I swear i have woken up in the middle of 20+ minute ads. I thought it was a news article about china when it was an ad. Who knows when the skip button appeared. The few times i have seen these, it has always been a literal fake news show about china.

Shortly before I started paying for YouTube, I remember seeing one of those ultra-long ads. The ad seemed interesting, so at first I didn't want to skip it. As soon as I saw that it was a looooong ad I got into the habit of checking the length of an ad before I even considered if it's worth watching.

Now I just pay for Youtube. I'm a lot happier that way.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by barbazoo »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #174
pixl97 wrote: post #146

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>Is there not always some sort "marketplace" How exactly does that work for virtual products?

Catalogs - offline and on-line, commercial and government. Deprived of constant noise and overstimulation of advertising, people will actively seek such information out, whether because they have a problem to solve, or just out of curiosity . All we're talking about here is switching from current "push" model of advertising back to "pull" model. Who here never browsed a product or company catalog they found, just bec…

I can almost feel the calm just imagining the world you're describing.
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