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US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by lisbbb »

afavour wrote: post #9
mlinhares wrote: post #3

Countries shouldn't have outsourced all research and development to the US, hope they all notice this wasn't a good plan and that they all need to get back to it right now.

It’s difficult to compete economically. If the US has welcoming immigration policies for scientists and will pay 10x what your country can afford then you’re going to end up with a brain drain. Recent changes in the US have changed that calculus but you can’t create an entire industry in the blink of an eye (and, of course, those changes can be reversed at any point)

What the US needs first and foremost is a better future for its own citizens. We have abandoned our youth to unemployment and underemployment.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by robswc »

I'm OOTL, but there _is_ a ton of waste when it comes to money we give out.

The article itself even says here:

> [...] the US government has cut scientific grants to academics working on diversity-related topics, halted biomedical grants to international partners, and demanded universities shut down academic units that “belittle” conservative ideas [...]

I'd say it's fair to question if taxpayers should be paying for "diversity related projects." The "belittle conservative ideas" thing is problematic, as that is totally subjective. However, I don't think anyone can say in good faith that most universities aren't incredibly bias. Having been in one circa 2020, it was not a welcoming place if you weren't firmly liberal/progressive. Of course I have to place my disclaimer that I'm not a fan of what Trump is doing, or the man himself for that matter.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by sallveburrpi »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #45
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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As bad as American domination is, wnat's coming after is might easily be worse.

Worse for US Americans probably - rest of the world? Not so clear cut

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by NedF »

tensor wrote: post #38
drawnwren wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't think a foreign diplomat's comments about a counterparty nation are potentially biased, we don't have enough common ground to warrant further discussion.

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by meowface »

timcobb wrote: post #36
JKCalhoun wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be what it takes though, 2nd place (if that), to get the U.S. to stop fucking around.

Usually the opposite of what happens to a power in decline

Quite something to imagine 60 years from now history books (or thought-o-grams) may be written on Gamergate and a microblogging application and a reality TV host ushering in the chain of events that upended the biggest global power.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by lbrito »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #45
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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As bad as American domination is, wnat's coming after is might easily be worse.

Why?

China is the alternative. How many countries has China waged war against, toppled democratic governments, established puppet março-states and invaded since 1949?

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by burnte »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #40
meowface wrote: post #15

All I can say is let us all hope this is merely the American decade of humiliation and not the beginning of the American century of humiliation.

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The US has screwed up but to state we've been nothing but bad since 49 is a genuinely revisionist take.

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Post by lm28469 »

meowface wrote: post #49
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I think it's very likely counterfactually better than USSR (now Russian) or Chinese hegemony. Imagine if Al Gore had won 2000 - America at the helm while growing increasingly wary of violent foreign interventions seems like the least bad path for Earth. (I am not sure if such a path still remains.) China ultra-liberalizing and becoming a democracy and then the hegemon could be an okay path but I am not too optimistic…

The good thing is that we'll be able to fact check this comment in 50 years
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