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US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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All I can say is let us all hope this is merely the American decade of humiliation and not the beginning of the American century of humiliation.

It might be what it takes though, 2nd place (if that), to get the U.S. to stop fucking around.

All I have to say is, don’t blame me. I am an American and didn’t vote for this bullsh*t. Leave me out when you enslave the rest of the Americans lol

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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"In a parting shot before her retirement, the European Commission’s top science diplomat has castigated the US for destroying its reputation as a global scientific leader. ... Speaking at the European Science Diplomacy Conference in Copenhagen, she did not elaborate on exactly how the US was wrecking its reputation. ... The next programme, which starts in 2028, will also be more focused on European defence technology…

While America is appearing to be the abject fool here, it’s hard to take any of Europe’s criticisms like this seriously when even in the best of times they have constantly castigated us as fools. They were calling us fools when we were inventing AI in 2015 too. I think what we are doing today is horribly executed, but likely motivated by a farsightedness Europe can’t believe is there since we are all just dumb fools.…

> While America is appearing to be the abject fool here

I would just leave it at that.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure it does. Particularly since the diplomat is outgoing

If you don't think a foreign diplomat's comments about a counterparty nation are potentially biased, we don't have enough common ground to warrant further discussion.

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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"In a parting shot before her retirement, the European Commission’s top science diplomat has castigated the US for destroying its reputation as a global scientific leader. ... Speaking at the European Science Diplomacy Conference in Copenhagen, she did not elaborate on exactly how the US was wrecking its reputation. ... The next programme, which starts in 2028, will also be more focused on European defence technology…

Not entirely baseless though : > the US government has cut scientific grants to academics working on diversity-related topics, halted biomedical grants to international partners, and demanded universities shut down academic units that “belittle” conservative ideas, or risk losing federal funding. > These efforts have in some cases been overturned by courts or faced opposition from universities. And huge proposed cuts…

Sure. But the editorialized titled makes it sound like we have evidence of the damage. The article doesn’t provide that, it’s citing a political speech.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

#45

All I can say is let us all hope this is merely the American decade of humiliation and not the beginning of the American century of humiliation.

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As bad as American domination is, wnat's coming after is might easily be worse.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the EU perspective, I can see why it pays to say the US is an unreliable or unnecessary partner. It may or may not be true, but cui bono: EU gets to reindustrialize and invest domestically. Seems like a great idea for EU and US both.

The US doesn't have any partners anymore, except for some small countries like Hungary and Israel.

I think you'd be surprised how much intel sharing and cooperation happens behind the political curtains.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

#47

All I can say is let us all hope this is merely the American decade of humiliation and not the beginning of the American century of humiliation.

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I guess I respect you being honestly pro-war. Not sure that’s what everyone wants.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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All I can say is let us all hope this is merely the American decade of humiliation and not the beginning of the American century of humiliation.

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I think it's very likely counterfactually better than USSR (now Russian) or Chinese hegemony. Imagine if Al Gore had won 2000 - America at the helm while growing increasingly wary of violent foreign interventions seems like the least bad path for Earth. (I am not sure if such a path still remains.)

China ultra-liberalizing and becoming a democracy and then the hegemon could be an okay path but I am not too optimistic about the prospects of those first parts.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure it does. Particularly since the diplomat is outgoing

If you don't think a foreign diplomat's comments about a counterparty nation are potentially biased, we don't have enough common ground to warrant further discussion.

Nothing would please our enemies more than people not being able to talk to each other. This decline of trust is not accidental.
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