I guess it's a dialect thing, but I have become accustomed to disregarding absolutely every article that employs the word "jab".
That's just what they call it in British English, and this is a BBC article.
Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them
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#32I guess it's a dialect thing, but I have become accustomed to disregarding absolutely every article that employs the word "jab".
> (British) A medical hypodermic injection (vaccination or inoculation).
From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jab
I hope that helps
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#33Other medications become lifelong medications but without this level of scrutiny. I am 100% in favor of finding a more permanent treatment, but switching blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds, and other daily meds for a single once a week med is a massive improvement, especially since the all source mortality data keeps rolling in showing the efficacy here is orders of magnitude better than all the other medicati…
But it is factually true that it’s a matter of willpower, no amount of reframing it is going to change that.
It’s not like others like myself, currently on a cut cycle, don’t experience hunger. The idea that we are just “lucky” ignores all the willpower and discipline we fight through to do it ourselves.
I’ve eaten about 800 calories today and it is 4pm. Just finished 90 minutes on the indoor bike. My stomach feels hungry. I experience that and just sit with it. That is the difference.
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#34TLDR: "...evidence so far suggests that, between one and three years after stopping the medication, people will see a "significant proportion of weight" go back on...Somewhere in the region of 60 to 80% of the weight that you lost will return..."
What's striking here is that this is roughly the same outcome as essentially every other diet (with the intent of losing weight) out there. It's just more expensive. And possibly more hyped.
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#35We need to start looking at obesity as a hunger disorder, and not as the result of an addiction, a lack of knowledge about nutrition, or a lack of self control.
When an obese person regulates their eating and loses weight, the hunger often doesn't go away - and often increases. This is physical, not psychological hunger. When the obese person almost inevitably returns to eating to fullness, they regain weight.
When a person takes GLP-1s, hunger is greatly reduced, and an obese person can eat less food while still achieving satiety without gaining weight. When they stop taking the GLP-1s, the hunger returns, and when they return to eating to fullness, they regain weight.
Similarly, when a person takes stimulant weight loss medication, they can eat less food while experiencing less hunger, and thus lose weight. Similarly, when they go off of the stimulant (or develop a tolerance), the hunger returns and when they return to eating to fullness, they regain weight.
In many obese people, the hunger is present even when they eat a nutritious meal at the appropriate number of calories to maintain their weight. Common advice is to say "this mix of macros or foods makes me satisfied!" and, well, that's great for you but not universal.
People who naturally feel reasonably satisfied with an appropriate number of calories to maintain their weight still experience hunger, but not with the intensity or insatiability of that hunger that many obese people do.
While it does occur with some who have severe eating disorders, most obese people do not overeat themselves into obesity by continuing to eat long after they're full. They eat until the hunger goes away.
It's the hunger. Take away the hunger, and the weight goes down. Bring back the hunger and the weight goes up. It's simple, it's obvious, and few say it.
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#36Being overweight is a chronic disease. Just like alcoholism, or any kind of other addictions. I've struggled with alcohol abuse, and once you come to the realization that you're abusing it, the fix FOR ME was relatively simple: I stopped (under medical supervision) drinking, or to be more precise: I stopped starting to drink. I have no problems not drinking, I have a problem that when I start I cannot stop. I have th…
since I also share the ability to cold turkey on most anything, what you can completly stop eating is processed food, or anything that requires an advanced chemical engineering degree to decipher, ditch most of the carbs, ALL of the sugar. Meat, veggies,fruit,grains,nuts,the most complex packaged foods I buy are yogurt, and bread from an outfit that contracts farmers to grow wheat, pickles, stuff from wierd and wonde…
I really, really, really like mayonnaise though
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. I’m all for life-long drugs that help with weight loss, I don’t view it as a moral failing. That said, it is easy to see why so many people are concerned about these drugs: people taking them can look terrible (“ozempic face”). Gaunt, sick, hollowed out, look at people like Sharon Osbourne, that’s the public face of these drugs. And so when people are committing to life-long us…
"Ozempic face" is actually just "unhealthy rapid weight loss face". Ozempic makes it easier to starve yourself, but that isn't how it's supposed to be used.
Many of the fly by night digital proscribes just jack the dosage to show rapid gains. Coupled with people lying on BMI to get a script is a bad combination and why it’s so obvious.
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#38Then just continue to take them? The article just once seems to mention side effects and these were suspected to be related to rapid weight loss and less to the drug itself.
Pointless human interest story with some rent-a-quote expert sprinkled in that tries to imply some ominous danger but can't come up with any hard data on that themselves.
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#39Being overweight is a chronic disease. Just like alcoholism, or any kind of other addictions. I've struggled with alcohol abuse, and once you come to the realization that you're abusing it, the fix FOR ME was relatively simple: I stopped (under medical supervision) drinking, or to be more precise: I stopped starting to drink. I have no problems not drinking, I have a problem that when I start I cannot stop. I have th…
I have observed that being addicted drugs gets way more sympathy than being addicted to food even though the neural pathways and other factors are the same.
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#40Being overweight is a chronic disease. Just like alcoholism, or any kind of other addictions. I've struggled with alcohol abuse, and once you come to the realization that you're abusing it, the fix FOR ME was relatively simple: I stopped (under medical supervision) drinking, or to be more precise: I stopped starting to drink. I have no problems not drinking, I have a problem that when I start I cannot stop. I have th…
It's frustrating. "Just Eat Less" is roughly the way to lose weight, but the problem is not that fat people are so unbelievably stupid that they didn't know this. I am sure for some people it really is that simple. Not us. My weight has been a bit of a rollercoaster. I've never been terribly thin, but I've been "not technically obese" from time to time. I'm currently back on the downswing, but God, what a pain in the…
(and I do believe this is validated by the science, because you wind up with more fat cells when you first gain weight, which I guess is both relieving and terrifying.)
the data is pretty clear . the vast majority of dieters fail, even when the bar for success is set really low, like a 2-5% long-term weight loss of starting body weight for an obese person is considered a success.