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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by ulfw »

kelnos wrote: post #206
ulfw wrote: post #143

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We can see the same with everything in the US. Huawei became very competitive to Apple. Outsold Apple in it's home market. Huawei got banned. DJI has a near monopoly on drones. No US company could compete and players like GoPro shut down their consumer drone projects. DJI got/is about to get banned. Tiktok was dangerous to Meta. TikTok got almost banned/forced-sold. Chinese EVs are better than almost any US offering.…

I agree generally that protectionism is bad, but the examples you present are just the US (finally!) doing to China what China has done to the world for decades. They rely on relatively unencumbered trade in Western markets, while locking their own markets up from outside competition.

And yet you can buy a Tesla in China or an iPhone or any luxury bag or or or. Plenty of brands. It's not quite as black and white as people think.

What you're talking about is social networks/messengers/news which are limited not so much for competitive reasons but national security reasons. They like to control what people see which is something a Google, Meta or X cannot guarantee.

You can very much buy US software, e.g. https://www.microsoft.com/zh-cn/microsoft-365/buy/microsoft-... etc.

You can buy a Prada bag, a Ralph Lauren sweater, the newest iPhone or Mac, a Model Y, adidas or Nikes, Adobe Photoshop... etc etc

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Post by Lapel2742 »

andsoitis wrote: post #194
Lapel2742 wrote: post #190

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> On average, poor people in Europe eat healthier than poor people in the US, but still significantly worse than wealthier Europeans. Sure. But in the end the EU feeds it's citizens healthier food than the US does. That's all I'm saying. I'm glad we have those regulations.

We agree. What's interesting is JFK Jr. (our Secratary of Health and Human Services) has a stance that Americans eat too many ultra-processed foods. He wants people to eat more whole foods and fewer additives. He questions conventional warnings about saturated fat and supports dietary changes than include more full-fat dairy and meats. He prefers education over bans or mandates.

> He prefers education over bans or mandates.

And that is not working for the poor of which the US seems to have plenty for a developed country.

The poor have no choice, even if they are educated, and the food industry is fine with selling them garbage. It's legal to do so after all. AFAIK food is generally even cheaper in Europe than in the USA. Even with those regulations.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

jimnotgym wrote: post #18
jasonvorhe wrote: post #9

Having worked with all major European clouds: Good luck, have fun opening a lot of support cases for things that should work ootb.

Did you ever do it while waiving a $50m cheque though?

$50mm does mot get go very far. We’re a pretty small company (200 people) compared to Airbus and pay about $2mm/yr for cloud.

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Post by throw310822 »

strangegecko wrote: post #133
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian. They're also preparing for military activities to expand their territory. It's not that each country needs to develop their own, but it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.

> China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian

Let's also say that democracy is very important internally. But as a EU citizen (or even better as a middle east citizen) whether they're democratic or authoritarian makes very little difference to me- I don't get a say in what they do. And in the case of the ME, it wasn't China or its allies that reduced several countries to rubble, it was the democratic US.

> it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view

There are no such things as "incompatible world view" but certainly closer or more distant ones. And I think the fundamental values of the US are pretty far away from those of the EU.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

rapnie wrote: post #178
throw0101c wrote: post #113

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>> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. > Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. The logic is don't use infrastructure of people you don't trust. If Europeans don't trust Chinese, then don't use Chines…

Yes, there is a lot of affinity towards Canada in Europa, I feel. Last Bastion of Democracy on the North-American continent, and not part of the whacky Trump-Atlantian Hemisphere.

Canada is as democratic as the UK…

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Post by sschueller »

breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.

Hopefully now "Europe" will think before fire selling all of its hardware manufacturing companies to foreign firms.

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Post by Aiisnotabubble »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #88
petcat wrote: post #80

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Doesn't Europe actually have a lot of Chinese equipment in their telecom infrastructure? Is this an effort just to try not to make that mistake again?

Europe will just end up doing whatever is cheapest. It's the same story as always. They'll say some stuff publicly but they'll quietly come back to American tech once they see the price tag difference. They're very cost sensitive and their investors are extremely risk-averse.

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Post by okanat »

Phlogi wrote: post #199
tormeh wrote: post #180

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Absolutely not. There's a gazillion cloud providers out there with hosted postgres+kafka+redis and the other big open source softwares. Hetzner is just not one of them.

Please list them, especially the ones with managed services..

Hetzner, OVH and Upcloud. All of them have object storage, managed Redis,Postgres and K8S.

Most of the time the missing things are homegrown SaaS offerings of big 3 and identity services. You will not find equivalent IAM or BigQuery in indie clouds.

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Post by cess11 »

drysine wrote: post #184
ulfw wrote: post #154

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And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc. What kind of argument are you even trying to make?

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What a bizarre description of what the US did.

Greenland has been inching towards independence since the seventies, because that's the common ambition of greenlandic peoples and it's slow because there are rather deep ties between Denmark and Greenland. These ties are to some extent very negative for the greenlanders, they're generally discriminated against and have been viciously mistreated at times, but a quick clean cut would also be quite painful for them.

In the seventies Greenland joined the EU predecessor EEC with Denmark, quickly realised that europeans were emptying their fishing waters and in the early eighties left the union. It's the only entity to have done so. Then the independence process trudged on, they self-manage in many areas now, even more since a 2008 referendum where some 75% or so voted in favour of independence. Since 2009 there is a law that says that Greenland can become independent whenever they want, as long as it's approved by greenlander referendum and the danish parliament.

To the extent they're a colony international law also clearly gives them the right to unilaterally declare independence. A majority of greenlanders are likely still in favour, but a majority also would prefer to postpone it if it would result in worse living conditions, since that's what polls usually conclude.

Ignoring half a century of rather delicate politics and independence ambitions the US shat all over it and said that they wanted to buy it, and then several years later said that they might just annex instead. This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour, which in my opinion should have caused european countries to start dumping US bonds and stop answering calls from the White House.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

tw04 wrote: post #159
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

> just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufacturer of 5G equipment. Even if that were accurate, which it isn’t, what exactly do you think the US stands to gain by Europe buying 5g from someone other than China (like the European providers Ericsson and nokia)?

Control. The equipment made by Ericsson or Nokia uses US made components which can be used just like what the US accuses China of.

Secondly, it stops China gaining as much experience in this field as it could have.

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