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Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Post by ivan_gammel »

nephihaha wrote: post #79
ivan_gammel wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not matter anything in this case. It’s open source, it’s community-driven, and governance structure isn’t a moat. It can be forked in a matter of days, especially given that there exist independent European structures to support it.

Wikipedia is not community driven. About as public as so called public ownership in reality. It is clearly directed by a small group of people, mostly those with enough time on their hands. Most folk can no longer edit it. They're blocked. There are clear biases in its content provision, such as its coverage of certain rich people and establishment bodies.

> Most folk can no longer edit it. They're blocked.

Is this some sort of conspiracy theory? It’s just plain wrong. Wikipedia may block certain people, but it’s definitely not anywhere close to majority of editors. It’s easy to create an account and edit almost everything. It does have editorial policy and editors may have certain bias, but it has nothing to do with the fact, that you mentioning Wikipedia as some American monopoly were wrong.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

shellwizard wrote: post #11
reacharavindh wrote: post #7

Throwing stone from a glass box eh? If I understand correctly, US is by far the largest services exporter to EU… should EU merely apply the same “tariffs” that US might impose on these goods, some healthy European alternatives would finally gain some ground..

What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

I am not gonna comment about others since obviously there are a lot but OVH from europe even though it has flaws still feels like it definitely competes with AWS

There are also hetzner,upcloud,netcup and sooo many other small cloud providers too but OVH,Hetzner,Upcloud,netcup do seem to me competitors of AWS

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Post by lifestyleguru »

None of the service providers listed as European delivers B2C products or services as many American ones. Maybe only Spotify.

Few of these companies provide respectable IT/tech careers, every time it's brutal race to the bottom with nearshoring and outsourcing. Especially French and German ones where you have to speak French or German and have local postgraduate degree to step out from the software sweatshop in the basement.

As an EU citizen I don't mind if Americans take them down a notch.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Post by array_key_first »

zoobab wrote: post #87
jeroenhd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the GDPR fines (that this likely refers to) I think the American government is mad at the DMA more than anything. Breaking up the monopolies that are currently firmly held by American tech giants goes directly against the interests of the White House, especially now that they're able to openly bribe the president.

"I think the American government is mad at the DMA" It's the not the government, it's the large american companies behind it.

Same thing.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Post by em-bee »

skeledrew wrote: post #110
m4rtink wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would name PeerTube the project and the various PeerTube instances various organizations are running (like for example https://vhsky.cz/ ) as a good Youtube alternative. Sure, you might not have all the media on one big convenient pile like on Youtube, but that is kinda the point (with no single pile owner there is no single entity that decideds what goes on the pile or not).

This can only be a fair alternative if a single search can transparently query all instances (an implicit requirement for most users), and there's also an easy, instance-transparent, preferably free way to upload content (requirement for most creators). Once one has the question "which instance should I search/create my account on?", it will be considered a failure.

https://sepiasearch.org/

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Post by bigyabai »

luis_cho wrote: post #3

If American companies don’t respect Europe regulation it’s time to Europe invest in dedicated software competing with office 365, social networks, even android/apple/windows os.

There has never been a smarter time to replace everything you just mentioned.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Post by dmitrygr »

input_sh wrote: post #31
shellwizard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

None of those are products, those are companies that offers 100s of products. The question is not is there as an alternative to Google-as-a-whole, but is there an alternative to Google Search (yes), to Google Analytics (yes), to Gmail (yes), to Google Ads (yes, but not really), to YouTube (no), and to Android (yes, but not really). Having a European mega-company that offers 100s of tightly-integrated products shouldn…

  > We need a healthly ecosystem where there are hundreds of separate companies each solving 1-5 use cases.
please make a successful economic case for a company only making a mobile phone OS, in a world where android exists and china can crank out 100x the devices at 1/10 the price paying $0 per device license fees than eu could.
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