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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by lokar »

mckn1ght wrote: post #602
aboodman wrote: post #573

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I live in Hawaii where the Toyota Tacoma is basically the state mascot. I owned almost exclusively sedans before I moved here. A friend from the bay area moved here several years ago and argued he wouldn't need a pickup, but ended up getting a Rivian within a year or so. The pickup is more practical than a van here because you end up hauling a lot of dirty/sandy/wet stuff. Yes, you could put this in your van, but hoo…

Alaska checking in. Nobody is hauling a skidoo around here in a van. You also won’t see anyone towing a trailer with one or two machines with anything other than a truck, because nothing else is going to hack it in the mountains with all that. I currently just drive mine up a ramp into the truck bed, I can quickly park and get off and go and back on again. Very versatile combo to get around with. Right tool for the j…

When I lived in anchorage ages ago Subarus were really popular.

Everyone with a truck had to put a bunch of weight in the back to manage the roads in the winter.

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Post by hcurtiss »

themafia wrote: post #344
rsync wrote: post #233

We don't want your electric car ... we want your car, but electric . We want an electric F150 or an electric Suburban or v90 wagon or whatever. But instead we get e-initiative i-mobiles. We get TRON-cars. We get iModels. There is a reason for this: The incumbent auto makers understand fully that the ICE version of whatever model they electrify will suffer enormously. They believe that they can somehow retain all of t…

> The incumbent auto makers understand fully that the ICE version of whatever model they electrify will suffer enormously. So you're saying they make _less_ profit on the EVs? That seems dubious. > They believe that they can somehow retain all of the sales of the existing ICE model while adding growth sales of a different electric model. Well.. precisely. Isn't the solution to make the EVs more profitable than the IC…

Isn’t it well known that they’ve lost money for every Lightning they’ve sold? Whereas the ICE F-150 is one of their most profitable sales?

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Post by NetMageSCW »

klardotsh wrote: post #351
rootusrootus wrote: post #262

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Which wasn't actually an EREV. They wanted it to be, but it was more efficient not to.

BMW i3 is a true EREV and I absolutely love it. Always drives like an electric, but can pound highway miles on gas. Best of both worlds. I hope to never go back to pure one or the other, until battery and/or charging tech leaps forward a ton.

How fast can you go on the highway running the REx?

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Post by NetMageSCW »

dalyons wrote: post #352
strawhatguy wrote: post #240

Article says the next F-150 Lightning will be an EREV-style plugin hybrid. Which, if so, makes a lot of sense. EVs are great, but not so much for trucks. I was always bothered about how cars were either supposed to be all electric or all ICE. Working together is the smart way forward.

Remains to be seen if it’s smart - personally I think erev is going to be obsoleted very quickly by batteries getting better and cheaper. You can already buy 1000v 5min charging EVs in china, as well as semi-solid state batteries. And the batteries get cheaper year on year, relentlessly. EREVs are a way better idea than the lie of PHEVs, but their time in the market is still limited. I wouldn’t be making that bet as…

PHEVs aren’t a lie, but the economics need to be compelling for people to plug in. If my car was a PHEV (it would weigh too much) I would plug it in to save over gas for weekly commutes, but I pay for premium gas.

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Post by hcurtiss »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #652

But they didn't kill it? Everyone is missing the other side of the coin. It will still exist as a battery electric vehicle with the addition of a generator. You can still plug it in and drive just on battery pack power from the grid.

I saw that too. If that’s their plan, I’m pretty bullish on Ford. All the advantages of an EV with a range extender. Like the Chevy Volt version of the F-150. I’d be all over that.

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Post by tanjtanjtanj »

bob1029 wrote: post #592
qingcharles wrote: post #395

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I live in an area that has probably >100% pick-up ownership per adult male. I've noticed that these people will not go to the grocery store on days when the weather is inclement due to the chance of the groceries getting wet. Seems like a bad vehicle for grocery runs.

> I've noticed that these people will not go to the grocery store on days when the weather is inclement due to the chance of the groceries getting wet. A modern pickup truck can fit the payload capacity of an entire Honda civic in the back of the cab. I've never seen someone put sacks of groceries in the bed of their truck. Maybe packs of water or charcoal, but no one is putting their produce and boxed goods back the…

I see it, at least weekly, at a Costco in Texas. Not just the pallet stuff but refrigerated goods and smaller stuff (gathered in boxes as is the custom at Costco)

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Post by zdragnar »

Mawr wrote: post #560
zdragnar wrote: post #211

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> some mythical ground clearance benefit that you will never use Spoken like someone who hasn't lived past the suburbs. I needed some plumbing work done last winter and had to hire someone new because my preferred plumber couldn't access my road with his van. The lack of AWD/4x4, lack of ground clearance, inability to tow are all massive drawbacks for several lines of business. Tonneau or hard covers and enclosed tra…

That's not past the suburbs , that's a ridiculous outlier. Congratulations, you live somewhere without paved roads, which puts you at what, 0.00001% of all Americans? That's your argument?

Thank you for proving my point. 35% of all roads in America are unpaved:

https://highways.dot.gov/safety/other/unpaved-roads-safety-n...

Vermont, New Mexico and Colorado notably all have more than 70% of their road network unpaved. 80% of all tribal land roads are unpaved.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

nebula8804 wrote: post #134
api wrote: post #35

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The only two car companies to make any meaningful profit on EVs were founded as EV companies first? That’s not that surprising. It’s very hard to make elephants dance. If that remains true it means all these auto companies will be dead in 25 years, or eternally strung along on government support. If there were no tariffs or other market barriers I get the impression that BYD would bulldoze the entire world and there…

This video here describes why BYD is so competitive: They have done a splendid job vertically integrating as much as they can to get the price down. This $11,500 EV is an excellent example of how other companies should start to shift their thinking. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izvdO-zdlKg

How much does it sell for in Europe? Does it meet US safety requirements?

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Post by hcurtiss »

hnburnsy wrote: post #27

From Ford... Ford Follows Customers to Drive Profitable Growth; Reinvests in Trucks, Hybrids, Affordable EVs, Battery Storage; Takes EV-Related Charges https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/ford-re... >As part of this plan, Ford’s next-generation F-150 Lightning will shift to an extended-range electric vehicle (EREV) architecture and be assembled at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michig…

I’m actually pretty stoked about this pivot. All the advantages of an EV with gas and go optionality. Will be an awesome pickup.
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