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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by foobazgt »

WalterBright wrote: post #203
roadside_picnic wrote: post #116

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> One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US Based on my personal experience traveling, there's a more practical reason for the political divide. I spend a good portion of my life in rural parts of the US these days, where most of the residents are pretty conservative. But these are also parts of the country where I get nervous when I'm on 1/4 tank of gas. If you're routinely out in plac…

You're also likely to have to wait in line to charge.

I know congestion can be an issue at some sites, but I have never waited in line to charge in seven years of EV ownership.

In addition, for superchargers, you can see real-time stall availability, so if a particular site was crowded, you could just opt for the next. (Easy enough to do since there are so many).

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by mckn1ght »

aboodman wrote: post #573
Mawr wrote: post #541

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Citation: "Ford F-Series Is America’s Best-Selling Model For The 43rd Consecutive Year (2024)" Either the US has a lot of electricians and plumbers, all those people aren't buying these trucks because they need them. Just look anywhere outside the US — nobody buys trucks like these. And that's because they're incredibly niche. They're worse than all other options. A regular sedan is a better everyday car and can fulf…

I live in Hawaii where the Toyota Tacoma is basically the state mascot. I owned almost exclusively sedans before I moved here. A friend from the bay area moved here several years ago and argued he wouldn't need a pickup, but ended up getting a Rivian within a year or so. The pickup is more practical than a van here because you end up hauling a lot of dirty/sandy/wet stuff. Yes, you could put this in your van, but hoo…

Alaska checking in. Nobody is hauling a skidoo around here in a van. You also won’t see anyone towing a trailer with one or two machines with anything other than a truck, because nothing else is going to hack it in the mountains with all that. I currently just drive mine up a ramp into the truck bed, I can quickly park and get off and go and back on again. Very versatile combo to get around with.

Right tool for the job. I drive an AWD Prius with winter tires to get groceries in the snow.

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

chris_va wrote: post #449
themafia wrote: post #344

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> The incumbent auto makers understand fully that the ICE version of whatever model they electrify will suffer enormously. So you're saying they make _less_ profit on the EVs? That seems dubious. > They believe that they can somehow retain all of the sales of the existing ICE model while adding growth sales of a different electric model. Well.. precisely. Isn't the solution to make the EVs more profitable than the IC…

Well, instead of cannibalizing ICE sales, why not have your cake and eat it to? - Ford & Marie Antoinette

> "It is difficult to get a corporation to understand something, when its stock price depends upon its not understanding it!"

Paraphrased from Upton Sinclair

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Post by MangoToupe »

orthoxerox wrote: post #598
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Americans are not allowed to have better quality, lower priced Chinese vehicles because they have to suffer the incompetence, failure, abuse, and plunder by their ruling class due to … the decades of incompetence, failure, abuse, and plunder of their parasitic and alien ruling class. It is easy to understand what the tariffs are attempting and why, but what supporters don’t get is that at the very least it’s all wron…

Or because UAW members are not willing to work 996 for Chinese wages.

Is this wild speculation or do you actually have a link showing that their 900,000 employee workforce is subjected to 996?

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Post by foobazgt »

otoburb wrote: post #328
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The kinds of situations that drive range consideration for things like trucks is that your planned route suddenly becomes unavailable after you've already burned most of your range. Range anxiety isn't about the ideal case. I've had several situations in the Mountain West when roads suddenly closed Hell, I've nearly come up short in an ICE vehicle a couple times. I try to keep 150-200 miles of spare range on my vehic…

>> I try to keep 150-200 miles of spare range on my vehicle when I am in that kind of country. That is hard to do on a typical EV. Plus the additional anxiety of trying to figure out if dropping temperatures will add massive downside variance to your initial range estimate.

I just drove 100mi in freezing temps (around 25F) at mostly interstate speeds (70+) mph. I completed my trip around 95% of EPA. Maybe a function of the quality of your EV.

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Post by MangoToupe »

bayesnet wrote: post #277
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #247

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90% of F-150s are daily driver grocery-getters. That was the target for the Lightning, not truck stuff.

My hunch is that the people who buy an F-150 for groceries are not the people interested in buying EVs. The advantage of an EV truck is solely on cost and maintenance, so the natural market is businesses looking for practical vehicles, not people who buy impractical vehicles that are costly to operate for status reasons. Then again as I’m typing this I realize that I have a phone with a better processor than most com…

> My hunch is that the people who buy an F-150 for groceries are not the people interested in buying EVs.

Isn't this the entire pitch of the cybertruck?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ProAm wrote: post #379
kjkjadksj wrote: post #311

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Rivians are all over socal. I think there is a lot of demand in certain markets.

Wait until the R2 comes out for ~50% of the cost of an R1. They are the best EV out in terms of features and comfort and usability.

I would hope the most expensive EV is the best in terms of features and comfort and usability. If they can continue to be at 50% of the price is unknown.

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Post by ghaff »

ascorbic wrote: post #520
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Something tells me that dishwashers are smaller in areas where the Twingo is sold. There's no way my piece of shit Samsung dishwasher would fit in your car. It's huge.

An minivan will transport almost anything a normal person would want to move, while being more practical the other 99% of the time, but of course they have the wrong image.

A number of my whitewater paddling friends really like their minivans. There are still at least a couple of models available but they have largely gone out of fashion.

Personally I have a mid-size SUV but if you regularly need to transport around a lot of people, minivans seem more practical in general than a lot of the big SUVs.

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Post by foobazgt »

grogenaut wrote: post #442
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It's mostly a wash, the efficiency on the descent balances the climb, and overall you get respectably close to the same range you'd have gotten on a flat route.

I rented a mach-e recently. Went up to Snoqualamie pass from seattle. I used over 60 miles range in 10 miles on the steep part at the end, 1/6th. Going the other way I got a maybe 20% boost in distance over flat. There were a few places I was able to regen-brake, but I never had the battery go up, only stay flat. And a few times I lost enough speed that I didn't handle an interim flat well. I was extremely disappoint…

I routinely traverse Monteagle with no substantive loss in efficiency. Sounds like something goofy with the mach-e?

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Post by Vinnl »

beAbU wrote: post #584
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

> The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) I agree that small commercial vehicles are the right prime target for electrification, but why the pick-up? I would argue that the classic van is a much more sensible small commercial vehicle than a pick-up. As a non-USian, do you mind explaining why the pick-up is so much more popular in this category? The van wins in…

That's also why a number of cities here have started banning the use of newly-purchased non-electric commercial vehicles. The feasibility-impact ratio makes it an easy first step.
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