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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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By my tests ( https://github.com/7mind/jopa ) Gemini 3 is somewhat better than Claude with Opus 4.5. Both obliterate Codex with 5.1

What's - roughly - your monthly spend when using ppt models? I only use fixed priced copilot, and my napkin maths says I'd be spending something crazy like $200/mo if I went ppt on the more expensive models.

Something around 500 euros.

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By my tests ( https://github.com/7mind/jopa ) Gemini 3 is somewhat better than Claude with Opus 4.5. Both obliterate Codex with 5.1

What's - roughly - your monthly spend when using ppt models? I only use fixed priced copilot, and my napkin maths says I'd be spending something crazy like $200/mo if I went ppt on the more expensive models.

They have subscriptions too (at least Claude and ChatGPT/Codex; I don't use Gemini much). It's far cheaper to use the subscriptions first and then switch to paying per token beyond that.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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There's no doubt you're getting a lot of value from OpenAI, I am too. And yes the subscription is a lot more value than what you pay for. That's because they're burning investor's money and it's not something that is sustainable. Once the money runs out they'll have to jack up prices and that's the moment of truth, we'll see what users are willing to pay for what. Google or another company may be able to provide all…

Inference is profitable for openai as far as I can tell. They dont need to jack up prices much, what they really need is users who are paying/consuming ads. Theyre burning money on free tier users and data center expansion so they can serve more users.

This assumes your model is static and never needs to be improved or updated.

Inference is cheap because the final model, despite its size, is ridiculously less resource intensive to use than it is to produce.

ChatGPT in its latest form isn't bad by any means, but it is falling behind. And that requires significant overhead, both to train and to iterate on model architecture. It is often a variable cost as well.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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I strongly advise never using Google's Drive storage. They're known to scan all content, and to disable all access if even a single file is "problematic", often misclassified by a bot. If you do use the storage, do backup all your files, and be ready to lose access at any time, with no way to reach any intelligent human.

This has never happened to me in more than 5 years of paying for Google Drive. And my drive is chock full of bootleg books and movies and stuff. Having said that, an offline backup of a couple of terabytes will rarely break the bank and is not a bad idea at all. I probably need to get on that.

It happens more with adult content or files misclassified as such. It has happened to people.

Secondly, a Google account can be disabled for a broader variety of reasons, not limited to the above causes.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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I have never considered trying to apply Claude/Gemini/etc. to Fortran or COBOL. That would be interesting.

You can actually use Claude Code (and presumably the other tools) on non-code projects, too. If you launch claude code in a directory of files you want to work on, like CSVs or other data, you can ask it to do planning and analysis tasks, editing, and other things. It's fun to experiment with, though for obvious reasons I prefer to operate on a copy of the data I'm using rather than let Claude Code go wild.

I use Claude Code for "everything", and have just committing most things into git as a fallback.

It's great to then just have it write scripts, and then write skills to use those scripts.

A lot of my report writing etc. now involve setting up a git repo, and use Claude to do things like process the call transcripts from discovery calls and turn them into initial outlines and questions that needs followup, and tasks lists, and write scripts to do necessary analysis etc., so I can focus on the higher level stuff.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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You can actually use Claude Code (and presumably the other tools) on non-code projects, too. If you launch claude code in a directory of files you want to work on, like CSVs or other data, you can ask it to do planning and analysis tasks, editing, and other things. It's fun to experiment with, though for obvious reasons I prefer to operate on a copy of the data I'm using rather than let Claude Code go wild.

Side note from someone who just used Claude Code today for the first time: Claude Code is a TUI, so you can run it in any folder/with any IDE and it plays along nicely. I thought it was just another vscode clone, so I was pleasantly surprised that it didn't try to take over my entire workflow.

It's even better: It's a TUI if you launch it without options, but you can embed it in scripts too - the "-p" option takes a prompt, in which case it will return the answer, and you can also provide a conversation ID to continue a conversation, and give it options to return the response as JSON, or stream it.

Many of the command line agent tools support similar options.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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If the subscription cost 5x as much would you still pay and feel you are getting such a great value?

I pay $100/month for Claude Max, and I've already said it, I would go up to $500 a month and wouldn't hesitate for a second. I'd probably start to hesitate for $1,000 maybe, only cuz I know I wouldn't be able to use it enough to maximize that value. But I might still suck it up and pay for it (I don't use it enough yet to need the $200/month but if I started hitting limits faster, I would upgrade), or at that point s…

I mean Claude is good for business use-cases, other than that it's completely censored cuck garbage and the CEO is worse than the pope. With Grok you can actually roleplay without it wagging its finger at you. OH MY GOSH YOU SAID BOOB!

Normies literally see no difference between GPT and Claude, just that Claude is much more expensive and CEO is even more of a dummie than Altman.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Which product do you recommend? OneDrive? Dropbox?

I have to imagine they are all on the lookout for CSAM. They’d simply have to be. If it goes beyond that then let me know.

There is no evidence that any storage service that offers E2E encryption does any scanning of adult content.

Note that possessing significant adult content in non-E2E storage risks eventual misclassification by a bot.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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What is a pre-training run?

Pre-training is just training, it got the name because most models have a post-training stage so to differentiate people call it pre-training. Pre-training: You train on a vast amount of data, as varied and high quality as possible, this will determine the distribution the model can operate with, so LLMs are usually trained on a curated dataset of the whole internet, the output of the pre-training is usually called t…

If pre-training is just training, then how on earth can OpenAI not have "a successful pre-training run"? The word successful indicates that they tried, but failed.

It might be me misunderstanding how this works, but I assumed that the training phase was fairly reproducible. You might get different results on each run, do to changes in the input, but not massively so. If OpenAI can't continuously and reliably train new models, then they are even more overvalued that I previously assumed.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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I strongly advise never using Google's Drive storage. They're known to scan all content, and to disable all access if even a single file is "problematic", often misclassified by a bot. If you do use the storage, do backup all your files, and be ready to lose access at any time, with no way to reach any intelligent human.

Which product do you recommend? OneDrive? Dropbox?

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