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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by amoss »

jtrn wrote: post #255
KyleGospo wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The next generation of Linux gaming - Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs." Are we reading the same website?

That could apply to everything from some sort of software service, to a game installer, to a streaming service, to an App Store for cross-platform games. You have to take into account the chaos that is the Internet and the promotional material shit storm of marketing speak. A sentence extremely close to this could easily be found on the top of the Razer Synapse promotional page. Why not lead with a simple description…

The first text on the page says:

> The operating system for the next generation of gamers

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by GaryBluto »

suspended_state wrote: post #310
GaryBluto wrote: post #297

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His comment isn't exactly a wall of text, it's perfectly fine as it is.

I'm reading it on my computer, and it's perfectly fine; yet, how would it look like on a smartphone?

I shrunk my window's width and it still looked fine.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by ffsm8 »

bargainbin wrote: post #202
ffsm8 wrote: post #180

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Mmh, you definitely misremember that > As much as I’d like this change to happen, it’s too soon. This change would kill off projects like Bazzite entirely right as Fedora is starting to make major headway in the gaming space. > I’m speaking as it’s founder, if this change is actually made as it is written the best option for us is to just go ahead and disband the project. Now, whenever you would've actually shut down…

> Now, whenever you would've actually shut down the project is a different story, but your messaging was very clear. The messaging was very clear that the upstream change would make Bazzite almost untenable. It was a criticism of Fedora, not a threat to quit.

I totally get that and personally would never hold that against him. Nor did I interpret it as a threat.

However, this comment chain was of how vulnerable non commercial projects like it are to outside factors making causing exactly this issue, making further maintenance on the project infeasible... Consequently ending it, effectively.

There is no blame in play here. haunter merely quoted this as a reason for why theyre worried about it longevity - and considering there was a discussion about an upstream change which would've realized his worry... It seems not at all misrepresented?

Fwiw, I personally don't share the same worry as haunter, because I don't see the chosen distribution nor OS as a significant investment. I feel comfortable switching things around occasionally

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Underphil »

GaryBluto wrote: post #292
Underphil wrote: post #278

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Same feeling here. Realistically, what is this distro doing that couldn't just be done with a quick bash script on whatever the current 'new user distro' is? The wording is weird too : "Comes with Lutris preinstalled!". Would Windows users switch to a different hypothetical "Windows Distro" that was optimised for gaming? None of this makes any sense to me.

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No project needs to justify its existence. I'm wondering why people would use it.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by GaryBluto »

Underphil wrote: post #314
GaryBluto wrote: post #292

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No project needs to justify its existence. I'm wondering why people would use it.

I doubt many people think about the long-term implications of using a small Linux distro like this. They see something "cool", so they use it.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by topherhunt »

amoss wrote: post #311
jtrn wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could apply to everything from some sort of software service, to a game installer, to a streaming service, to an App Store for cross-platform games. You have to take into account the chaos that is the Internet and the promotional material shit storm of marketing speak. A sentence extremely close to this could easily be found on the top of the Razer Synapse promotional page. Why not lead with a simple description…

The first text on the page says: > The operating system for the next generation of gamers

If you're trying to argue that this snippet should answer the question of "what is Bazzite"... have you looked at marketing-speke websites lately? Think of how many different categories of service / product / platform / technology call themselves "the operating system for the next generation of XYZ".

+1 to jtrn's complaint here; when Bazzite's homepage doesn't own up and immediately say "Bazzite is a Linux distribution", it's being unnecessarily unclear, and it loses my trust.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by scheeseman486 »

MrNiceGuy321 wrote: post #279
nrklvklfl wrote: post #275

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Android will be around for much longer than Bazzite, that I can assure you.

Also, if you’re into gaming, google play (android) has a lot more games than steam, it’s not even close.

The quality of games on Google Play is much worse than what is available on Steam and the variety of titles are much greater on Valve's platform too, with far less in the way of microtransactions and other exploitative behaviours (though Steam isn't free of this) and a back catalogue stretching as far back to the mid 2000s.

Both Microsoft and Sony AAA titles, most third parties publish there and most indie games release there first. Steam's library is unparalleled in the industry, the only thing it's truly missing is Nintendo's games.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by scheeseman486 »

fritzy wrote: post #55
haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

SteamOS is only going to support other hardware by coincidence. Valve is unlikely to put in resources beyond the hardware that they want to support. It's also unlikely to change the whole "firmware restore, entire drive" approach. They're not going to put in the resources or support work into making and maintaining a full distro by themselves. A community distro (be it a console-like gaming focused distro or not) is…

Valve are actively funding NVK.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by tormeh »

designerarvid wrote: post #274
t43562 wrote: post #265

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That's not "developer brain" but marketing speak! Lots of websites for technical products are like this - generalities galore. Usually the open source ones just say what they are.

No, marketing starts with the person being marketed to. Engineers thinking they are doing marketing state technical terms with colourful fonts.

Often the person being marketed to is an investor, not an actual user. "XYZ is what's next for [huge market]" may not sound like a product you can buy, but it does sound like something that can make lots of money.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by rounce »

EliteGadget wrote: post #305
rounce wrote: post #287

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Perhaps it’s just evidence that anecdata isn’t some universal truth. I’ve had the complete opposite experience for the vast majority of games, where in most cases performance for me has been better on Linux than it was on Windows (can’t compare like for like now as I no longer have a Windows install outside of a VM). Friends of mine experience weird mid-session crashes and hangs on Windows that I’ve never had on Linu…

> Perhaps it’s just evidence that anecdata isn’t some universal truth. This isn't though. I have hard numbers. I've actually measured the performance. You get 5-20 FPS less and often more input latency and stutters (1%, 0.1% lows). If the machines doesn't well with Linux, it can be much worse. Basically on HN whenever you express an opinion based on a significant amount of experience. You get someone basically saying…

Have you produced an exhaustive survey across a wide range of hardware and driver and display manager combinations? I’m happy to be an outlier here but my own experience doesn’t match with what you described hence my reply.
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