For those unfamiliar and confused, Stellantis is the mega corporation formed from the merge of Chrysler and Fiat that owns Jeep, Dodge, Peugeot, Opel, and many other brands.
Their reputation is verging on the likes of private equity
Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts
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#102I had already scratched Jeep off my car-buying list years ago. Now the bulk of car-buying research is not "how good is it?" but "what are the purposefully in-built annoyances? Can I hack them away?"
My partner recently bought a newer Subaru. It’s great, and when we looked it up we saw it had remote start. Turns out it’s behind a subscription. When I found that out I essentially wrote off Subaru as a brand for my future car purchases. Catch me driving my 2017 civic into the ground before I pay a freaking subscription for basic vehicle functionality
Bettet write off Toyota too then, and many others.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
So your 12 yrs old truck with only 120k miles got: - radiator replaced - water pump replaced - AC repaired (twice) - suspension rebuilt And that's considered to be a "good" truck? Good lord I'm happy we don't get such garbage sold here in Europe
You don’t know much about cars. All the work they had done on their vehicle was typical for that model generation. Air suspensions are generally problematic because of constant wear mixed with parts issues, and A/C problems are common in that model generation. This is all normal stuff to fix over twelve years.
I do most of the maintenance of cars in our garage, and I would never accept double AC repair, suspension and radiator replacement to be "normal" around 120k.
The thing is, modern jeeps are a joke even compared to this "reliable" example.
There was a post recently about over-the-air update bricking Jeeps WHILE DRIVING ON THE FUCKING HIGHWAY. And no one cares. People keep buying this trash and defend double AC repairs. ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just the ads. They are likely tracking your location, and drive events. These can be sold to your insurance company who may adjust your rates, or even drop you if they consider your driving patterns to be risky. When we got our Ford Maverick, first thing I did was disable this. Kudos to Ford for making this easy. Downside is that we got a recall notice about the software for the backup camera needing an update. I…
Do you really think that a dealership would tie up a service bay to keep you captive? Service is where dealers make their money. You’re convinced that manufacturers will sell data to insurance companies yet believe that dealers will sacrifice hours of profit. That doesn’t work out.
We were not in the service bay. Our Maverick was outside. The Service Guy said they had to download the update to their servers. From there it was a quick trip to the service bay for the updates. That is the reason I had asked in the first place. I could see the Mav outside. Not blaming the SG. I am sure it as not the Dealership, but someone at Ford Corporate??? Not so sure.
Also: I made sure we were the first appointment, arriving at 7:45am for my 8am reservation. Soon another guy was behind me. One thing I have learned it to always schedule "the first time in the AM" if you do not need immediate service.
Edit: In retrospect, they had turned on the OTA system in the Mav. So maybe when the SG said it was downloading, I thought "to a server" but maybe it was directly to the Mav. As I noted, was not a big issue. Still not using the OTA features.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
100% manuals are the way to go if you want to feel like a driver, not a passenger. I love my manual Jetta Thing is, people are lazy. US market is automatics only. Can't make people understand what the clutch is or why slushbox is bad for fuel efficiency. No one cares. Gas guzzlers are the national idea My kid learned to drive a manual in 15 minutes. Too much effort for US drivers!
I honestly can't say I notice any difference between driving a manual or an automatic car. If we were in a car right now and I was driving, I'd have to look at the gearstick to tell you if it was auto or manual. I genuinely don't get the USian obsession with driving manual gearbox cars being somehow "elite".
When you have a small fuel efficient engine, you can tell and feel the difference. With a V6 under your hood, you probably don't care. US is mostly big engines
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#106Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, I have a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee. It was the first year of their then new model rollout for the GC. It was (as I understand it) the last of the Mercedes JGCs. I love this thing, it's a "cold dead hands" kind of car for me. Only has 120k-ish miles on it. I won't say it's my last car ever, I just have a hard time visualizing swapping it out for anything. It starts, all the buttons work, it's cosmetically 9…
So your 12 yrs old truck with only 120k miles got: - radiator replaced - water pump replaced - AC repaired (twice) - suspension rebuilt And that's considered to be a "good" truck? Good lord I'm happy we don't get such garbage sold here in Europe
> And that's considered to be a "good" truck? Good lord I'm happy we don't get such garbage sold here in Europe
Yes, in spite of this it is considered a good car.
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#108This kind of behavior should re-open the return window for the car.
I wonder if we're gonna see a class action lawsuit.
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#109It's an interesting phenomenon. Something like this happens every week or two, and then these threads basically just become cope, with vague advice that most people can't easily do ("oh, just desolder the eSim contacts, it'll be fine"), as though that is in any way a longterm solution to corporate overreach in our daily lives. What if we all decided to actually work together to fix this terrible situation? Unfortunat…
Have you contacted your representatives and demanded something that would improve the current situation?
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you looking to remote start from the fob, or from an app? I agree that if it's done via the fob, that shouldn't require a subscription. But I understand that something requiring a cell signal will usually be paid, one way or another. I prefer it not be baked into the cost of the car, since some people (me) will not want that feature.
Even if it was from an app, why can't I use wifi/bluetooth? Even if it depends on a relay server, why can't I load my own sim and run my own relay?
This seems like a very HN-specific use case. It's not surprising that automakers don't have APIs that let customers host servers that they use to remotely start their vehicles. Security is obviously a huge issue, and almost no one cares about remote starting that much, and has the know-how to implement relay servers and such.
I'm not happy with how consumer choice is boxed in by automakers, but for sensitive systems like ignition, I don't think that their approach is unreasonable.