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Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So nothing of value is lost.

If you consider updates to be zero value, sure.

"Car won't start because the radio failed to update" and "insurance company tracking and other telemetry" are not just zero value, but net-negative.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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So, what happens if you accidentally drill through your car's LTE modem while doing an oil change?

It'll throw a code, just like it does if you forget to put DEF in. It's not a malfunction, they just want you to think it is.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you consider updates to be zero value, sure.

"Car won't start because the radio failed to update" and "insurance company tracking and other telemetry" are not just zero value, but net-negative.

Hence why folks should be pushing right to repair and similar legislation through to prevent this before it happens. Technical hacks are tactical solutions, good policy implementation is the strategic, long term solution.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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I had already scratched Jeep off my car-buying list years ago. Now the bulk of car-buying research is not "how good is it?" but "what are the purposefully in-built annoyances? Can I hack them away?"

You won't have any options for non garbage vehicles pretty soon. It's more profitable to sell you garbage and than sell you the maintenance on the above mentioned garbage while getting a steady trickle of revenue for ad impressions. Ford pulled focus/fiesta lineup from US ignoring great sales (despite widely known DCT issues) just so they can focus on selling the garbage SUVs and pickups, highest margin cars. But hey…

Technically you are correct, practically you will get into question of "who pays for the internet in the car?" and if customer refuses to pay (like in VAG case) then you will have just a car without an internet.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So nothing of value is lost.

If you consider updates to be zero value, sure.

For a lot of things, zero value would be a high peak. Often the value is negative. Thus:

You don't update anything if it works and it's not connected to internet.

If it works and is connected to internet, then disconnect it from internet if possible.

For the rest, delay updates for long enough without having heard complaints that there's sufficient confidence on the update not breaking anything.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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I remember many years ago thinking, "if they can have a add a SIM card on a phone, why not add one in your car? Imagine an Internet connected car?" What I didn't think about was this would be an opportunity for ads and subscriptions. And everyday you'll own less and less of your car. I'm shopping for a car right now, I may have to just put a fresh coat of paint on my old one.

Not just the ads. They are likely tracking your location, and drive events. These can be sold to your insurance company who may adjust your rates, or even drop you if they consider your driving patterns to be risky. When we got our Ford Maverick, first thing I did was disable this. Kudos to Ford for making this easy. Downside is that we got a recall notice about the software for the backup camera needing an update. I…

Nissans have a disclaimer that they spy on your sex life : https://nypost.com/2023/09/06/nissan-kia-collect-data-about-...

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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I had already scratched Jeep off my car-buying list years ago. Now the bulk of car-buying research is not "how good is it?" but "what are the purposefully in-built annoyances? Can I hack them away?"

My partner recently bought a newer Subaru. It’s great, and when we looked it up we saw it had remote start. Turns out it’s behind a subscription. When I found that out I essentially wrote off Subaru as a brand for my future car purchases. Catch me driving my 2017 civic into the ground before I pay a freaking subscription for basic vehicle functionality

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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it'd be cool if we had a more consumer-friendly admin who would ban advertising on long-term purchases like washing machines, fridges, cars or require you the seller to tell you about how the advertising works on said things (ad types, whether they are child friendly, frequency, and upfront option to permanently opt out)
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