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Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Bender wrote: post #2

They should consider making their primary site a .onion and then have clear-web portals in many countries that serve as a secondary class site or cache . The physical location of the primary site should be unknown.

"Majority of Americans block ads"

https://allaboutcookies.org/ad-blocker-adoption

"Majority of Americans now use ad blockers"

https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/27/america_ad_blocker/

Was there "concrete evidence" that "the majority of Europeans wanted" the rights granted to them under the GDPR

If we examine each of the rights that the public possesses, perhaps many of them would be unfamiliar or unknown to a majority of the public

Is it reasonable to imply that for each and every one of those rights there is "concrete evidence" that "a majority of the public" wants them, even when they are not familiar with them or do not know of their existence

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by super256 »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #77
jojobas wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your answer to slave trade using encryption is "deny encryption to everyone" we'll have to agree to disagree.

Funny how you translated "comply with takedown request" into "deny encryption to everyone". Doubly funny as you seem to be implying Telegram has worthwhile encryption to start with.

Yes, they were only not taken down because french LE did not properly follow the legal process (which was set by the EU btw), and didn't send their requests to the correct email. Of course Telegram is ignoring informal requests.

https://t.me/durov/342

https://t.me/durov/447

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by Arnt »

sophrosyne42 wrote: post #134
maelito wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with encryption or GrapheneOS. Durov was letting slave networks on unencrypted channels go free.

Same with the Europeans, do you know how much tax evasion and embezzlement goes through Ireland alone?

People claim enormous sums. But it seems terribly odd to me. One company that's mentioned often has enough employees in Dublin to fill four office buildings. That certainly sounds like a real business to me, not a tax dodge.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by port11 »

ranger_danger wrote: post #120
port11 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if you explain it properly, most people would be concerned. Privacy is a nebulous term, but what does it enable? The right to be yourself, to expose what you want, to take back mistakes, to keep for yourself somethings that you don't want to share. Privacy is therefore the right to be yourself. You do have something to hide, you don't want everyone knowing your deepest thoughts, aspirations, all of your…

I don't think people would be concerned about that explanation either... I think they need to hear real-world consequences, of which the only one I can remotely think of would be identity theft, and the chances of that happening I think are still slim among all the people whose info has even already been exposed publicly. How does privacy enable one to "not know your deepest thoughts" if you're aren't giving that inf…

We can point to how data brokerage/mining/analysis is being used to undermine democracies, sway elections, manipulate consumers into purchases they wouldn't make, change the pricing or even denial of coverage for insurance, and so on. These are all quite tangible, and all stem from people giving up their data too willingly. We all fuel the Shit Economy of ‘free with personalised ads’ which ultimately allows those with the data to hold power/influence over everyone else.

And to your last point, plenty of people were shocked Google Chrome incognito wasn't really a private experience, or don't know that what they type into an LLM prompt gets collected, etc. People do give these out in the first place.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by port11 »

xethos wrote: post #129
ranger_danger wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think people would be concerned about that explanation either... I think they need to hear real-world consequences, of which the only one I can remotely think of would be identity theft, and the chances of that happening I think are still slim among all the people whose info has even already been exposed publicly. How does privacy enable one to "not know your deepest thoughts" if you're aren't giving that inf…

> I don't think people would be concerned about that explanation either... I think they need to hear real-world consequences I think you're right. I'm not hopeful the general population will change and suddenly say "E2EE matters , dammit!". Because the small scale consequences are boiling the frog, and the major ones "could never happen to me". I'm sure we've all seen the Google account that got nuked [0, 1], but poi…

We really have _plenty_ of identity theft, personalised scams (hi Tess' mom!), accounts hacked, large scale photo leaks, etc. People just a) don't hear about it enough, or b) quickly move on to the next crisis with their hands up bexause what can you do.

Privacy-preserving options are also often not as easy/convenient/friendly to use.

People, perhaps, don't care. But that's a cynical assumption. They supposedly don't care about the environment and yet we're moving the needle on that.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by ranger_danger »

port11 wrote: post #144
ranger_danger wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think people would be concerned about that explanation either... I think they need to hear real-world consequences, of which the only one I can remotely think of would be identity theft, and the chances of that happening I think are still slim among all the people whose info has even already been exposed publicly. How does privacy enable one to "not know your deepest thoughts" if you're aren't giving that inf…

We can point to how data brokerage/mining/analysis is being used to undermine democracies, sway elections, manipulate consumers into purchases they wouldn't make, change the pricing or even denial of coverage for insurance, and so on. These are all quite tangible, and all stem from people giving up their data too willingly. We all fuel the Shit Economy of ‘free with personalised ads’ which ultimately allows those wit…

I understand what you're saying, but IMO for ordinary users that only care about things that they can easily see tangibly affecting them directly, I don't think this is enough to convince them of anything.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by mightysashiman »

mmooss wrote: post #7

I understand the concerns and anger of GrapheneOS's leadership, but the hyper-escalation tactic doesn't do what they hope: First, it sends a message of inexperience in business, negotiation, and conflict resolution: 'I'm going to take my ball and leave' - it looks like an emotional overreaction without strategic thinking. These days you sometimes see powerful parties making similar threats - e.g., Uber threatening to…

Couldn't agree more.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by port11 »

ranger_danger wrote: post #146
port11 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can point to how data brokerage/mining/analysis is being used to undermine democracies, sway elections, manipulate consumers into purchases they wouldn't make, change the pricing or even denial of coverage for insurance, and so on. These are all quite tangible, and all stem from people giving up their data too willingly. We all fuel the Shit Economy of ‘free with personalised ads’ which ultimately allows those wit…

I understand what you're saying, but IMO for ordinary users that only care about things that they can easily see tangibly affecting them directly, I don't think this is enough to convince them of anything.

Perhaps. But you can tell them they might lose their health insurance because of their online profile. In some countries that's quite scary.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by undeveloper »

immibis wrote: post #107
undeveloper wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically emulators are not against the law, piracy is against the law. And given that open source projects are all on github, it makes sense for them to just be on github That said, there are many forks of the projects DMCA'd still floating around.

They don't have to be against the law - they just have to annoy powerful people.

notably, the yuzu emulator and the associated team disbanded because they had a stash of every game released for the switch and were sharing it. that's plainly illegal, morality aside. of course they got hit with the DMCA
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