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Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by rixed »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #90
suspended_state wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the last line in your comment: if Telegram doesn't have good encryption, why would anyone require to have a backdoor installed? Are you implying that the French government isn't able to decrypt a bad encryption scheme? Or that the idea that this government asked for a backdoor is preposterous?

Encryption doesn't have to be backdoord because none of the group chats on telegram are encrypted (telegram gets to claim it's "encrypted" because it's TLS between client and server, but e2ee is not claimed except for inconvenient device-to-device chat. In any case, the back door may be more of a Room 641A arrangement where all messages are intercepted by the host government, saving them the trouble of installing soc…

The cynic in me believes that the motivation behind this very publicized melodramatic arrest is even simpler: reinforce the myth that Telegram is e2ee (remember the 90s when the DoJ wanted us to believe that 40bits keys were unbreakable?)

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by vbezhenar »

fragmede wrote: post #98
vbezhenar wrote: post #96

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> It's easy to validate that "grapheneos.org" Is it? Why not graphene-os.org? Why not graphene.org? Why not grapheneos.com? Why not grapheneos.io? How do you validate it, really? Also who REALLY controls that domain in the end? Someone with access to `.org` nameservers. Do you trust that person? What's their name?

You plug it into Google and hope they got it right

Try putting Putty into Google.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by 9dev »

Telaneo wrote: post #88
9dev wrote: post #36

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There is not. In fact, many users will gladly give away any notion of privacy whatsoever in exchange for a Candy Crush lootbox.

How many users are aware of their loss of privacy, and of those who are, how many are aware of its extent? These are not trade-offs with clear and obvious implications written on the tin.

Have you tried talking to normies about this? Sure, nobody likes bad things happening to them, but they usually neither understand what would be bad about a loss of privacy, think the long-term consequences are just paranoid fear-mongering, and will shrug away the implications next time they encounter a decision between comfort and privacy again.

It reminds me of Jamie Oliver (I think it was him) showing a group of pupils how Chicken Nuggets are made, in all its brutality; afterwards, when asking them if they would like to eat some nuggets now, guess what they said? "Yeeeeees!"

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by 9dev »

whatshisface wrote: post #33
ranger_danger wrote: post #31

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> The real issue is that the public wants a right to digital privacy. Legitimate question, is there any concrete evidence that the majority of the public actually does want this?

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2023/10/18/how-american... 80% are concerned.

…and if you ask them, most people don't want animals to suffer. Guess what they're ordering next time at the restaurant? It's not the vegan pasta.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by mbs159 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #68
palata wrote: post #42

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EU is not a country. There are many different countries in the EU.

EU has reciprocal arrest warrants and other treaties to assist law enforcement.

Though not an equivalent, the US has extradition treaties and various international agreements for surrendering a fugitive to a foreign country

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by immibis »

undeveloper wrote: post #52
immibis wrote: post #45

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It's amazing to me that everyone even slightly disliked by the ruling class isn't doing this. Like remember when Nintendo took down a bunch of Switch emulators... from GitHub? Why were they primarily on GitHub?

Technically emulators are not against the law, piracy is against the law. And given that open source projects are all on github, it makes sense for them to just be on github That said, there are many forks of the projects DMCA'd still floating around.

They don't have to be against the law - they just have to annoy powerful people.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by [deleted] »

9dev wrote: post #105
whatshisface wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2023/10/18/how-american... 80% are concerned.

…and if you ask them, most people don't want animals to suffer. Guess what they're ordering next time at the restaurant? It's not the vegan pasta.

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Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by goku12 »

9dev wrote: post #105
whatshisface wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2023/10/18/how-american... 80% are concerned.

…and if you ask them, most people don't want animals to suffer. Guess what they're ordering next time at the restaurant? It's not the vegan pasta.

And how exactly does that analogy apply here? The current situation is more like the government banning vegan pasta.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

#110

Post by trizuz »

anonymousiam wrote: post #6
Bender wrote: post #2

They should consider making their primary site a .onion and then have clear-web portals in many countries that serve as a secondary class site or cache . The physical location of the primary site should be unknown.

It's a sad fact that there's just no way for GrapheneOS to win this fight. The intelligence agencies of every world government are on one side, and a relatively poor organization that produces less restricted cell phone software is on the other.

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