The title should be, "GrapheneOS jumps from frying pan to fire".
GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France
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#112For what it's worth, Micay has a long history of accusing other people of slandering the project without providing any evidence or rebuttals. When asked for details, he gets defensive and accusatory, then creates multiple sockpuppet accounts to argue the same points over and over.
I read about this when I first discovered GrapheneOS, and it looked like it. And it may be partially correct. But on the other hand, I have read a lot of "drama" between e.g. /e/OS and GrapheneOS, and more often than not, it looked like GrapheneOS was criticising actual limitations of /e/OS and /e/OS (a mix of the community and official comms) seemed to be the one being unfair. GrapheneOS generally is pretty direct a…
Yeah, I had found the same when I looked into this. It seems that the Murena CEO himself is spreading factually incorrect critique of GrapheneOS
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You're contradicting yourself. If "they haven't thought this through" they clearly haven't been paranoid enough There is no contradiction between "being paranoid" and "not being rational". Oh my mistake, you intentionally put "benefit" and "Brexit" in the same sentence; yes, there's absolutely a contradiction there, well done lad.
> you intentionally put "benefit" and "Brexit" in the same sentence My comment wasn't an endorsement of Brexit, UK or EU. I was only thinking that if a quick change to a nearby jurisdiction was needed, the UK would be a place to consider, at least in the short term.
The UK position is that Europe were allowing encryption and stopping the UK from banning it.
The UK doesn't even pretend the laws are for "child safety" they call it what it is - "snoopers charter".
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can only use technical solutions to this problem for so long. The real issue is that the public wants a right to digital privacy. The state would not like you to have that because they are lazy and want to be able to look at your messages. Because they have convinced themselves that messages are a crime. This is a political problem not a technical one.
> The real issue is that the public wants a right to digital privacy. Legitimate question, is there any concrete evidence that the majority of the public actually does want this?
I think that if you explain it properly, most people would be concerned.
Privacy is a nebulous term, but what does it enable? The right to be yourself, to expose what you want, to take back mistakes, to keep for yourself somethings that you don't want to share.
Privacy is therefore the right to be yourself. You do have something to hide, you don't want everyone knowing your deepest thoughts, aspirations, all of your past mistakes, etc.
But instead we always explain it in ways that people don't connect with.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can only use technical solutions to this problem for so long. The real issue is that the public wants a right to digital privacy. The state would not like you to have that because they are lazy and want to be able to look at your messages. Because they have convinced themselves that messages are a crime. This is a political problem not a technical one.
> The real issue is that the public wants a right to digital privacy. Legitimate question, is there any concrete evidence that the majority of the public actually does want this?
People I know are sick to death of all the advertisements in everything.
The personalized ad economy is the most obvious and personally impacting symptom of this legislative failure.
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#116This looks hugely blown out of proportion. The project founder has a well documented history of what I would consider a persecution complex. Once again he has provided no substantial evidence. The only thing they provided are some, admittedly borderline libelous, news articles. Unless they provide some more concrete information about these supposed attempts of getting a backdoor installed into the system, I will cons…
I did a deep dive and Daniel Micay stepped down as lead dev back in 2023 FYI.
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#117They should consider making their primary site a .onion and then have clear-web portals in many countries that serve as a secondary class site or cache . The physical location of the primary site should be unknown.
It's amazing to me that everyone even slightly disliked by the ruling class isn't doing this. Like remember when Nintendo took down a bunch of Switch emulators... from GitHub? Why were they primarily on GitHub?
GitHub is a great, free as in $, and convenient place to be. So long as they weren't ONLY on GitHub (they weren't, the source code is still around) they can get the best of both worlds before and after.
The deeper problem for the Switch emulators was letting their personal life be linked to it so Nintendo could seek legal pressure against them directly.
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#118this is all fluff and noise, as we are on the threshold of space based servers, complying with the laws of convienient country next, owned by company overthere, leased to a "guy in taiwan", maybe
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
…and if you ask them, most people don't want animals to suffer. Guess what they're ordering next time at the restaurant? It's not the vegan pasta.
And how exactly does that analogy apply here? The current situation is more like the government banning vegan pasta.
What I was trying to say was that people are "concerned" about lots of things, but that doesn't mean much on its own. As soon as they actually have to give up some immediate comfort for the long-term better option, they will not act upon their concerns but choose satisfaction right now, reliably.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The real issue is that the public wants a right to digital privacy. Legitimate question, is there any concrete evidence that the majority of the public actually does want this?
I think that if you explain it properly, most people would be concerned. Privacy is a nebulous term, but what does it enable? The right to be yourself, to expose what you want, to take back mistakes, to keep for yourself somethings that you don't want to share. Privacy is therefore the right to be yourself. You do have something to hide, you don't want everyone knowing your deepest thoughts, aspirations, all of your…
I don't think people would be concerned about that explanation either... I think they need to hear real-world consequences, of which the only one I can remotely think of would be identity theft, and the chances of that happening I think are still slim among all the people whose info has even already been exposed publicly.
How does privacy enable one to "not know your deepest thoughts" if you're aren't giving that information out in the first place?