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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by snarf_br »

ericpruitt wrote: post #166
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

Honestly, I don't see where it violates that code of conduct.

Luckily, no one cares about my (or your) opinions on that matter because, as far as I can tell, neither of us have contributed anything to Zig.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by sundarurfriend »

mikelitoris wrote: post #252
quirino wrote: post #35

> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the same one from the other post that made the frontpage a couple of days ago [2]. [1] https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274

oh god... he has a humongous AI generated PR for julia too https://github.com/tshort/StaticCompiler.jl/pull/180

More context/discussion on this: https://discourse.julialang.org/t/ai-generated-enhancements-...

(Honestly, that's a lot more patience than I'd be able to give what are mostly AI-generated replies, so kudos to these folk.)

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by adastra22 »

trueismywork wrote: post #371
xp84 wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no connection to Microsoft but I think this take is terrible. Part of maturing and growing up, for me, was realizing that there are really very few people who truly deserve scorn and disrespect[1]. Those I disagree with politically, mostly think they’re doing the right thing and they think that if people only understood, they’d change their tune (and that’s basically what I think of them). Those “big companies…

What would you say about people who knowingly do actions that will lead to widespread harm and future deaths even though they're killing no one directly? Murdering can be done very well without ever having to touch weapon.

Those people are despicable too. But they are far less common than you probably think.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by nromiun »

stabbles wrote: post #363
nromiun wrote: post #139

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

The best free CI system in the world has macOS 15 runners running at 75% capacity due to a background process that consumes 100% CPU [1]. The problem is known to them since May but not fixed half a year later. [1] https://github.com/actions/runner-images/issues/13358

So tell us where is the better free macOS CI provider? I would love to switch to them.

That is what I meant by the BEST FREE CI provider. It is not the best if you have money for something better.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by zenlot »

Despite what majority are defending here, I love how Zig phrased out their blog. We're not in fake enterprise, where HR is guiding your language, calling you family and then fire you whenever convenient to them.

This language by Andrew is natural, real and should be valued more than anything else. Thank you, it's a refresher and it reminds me an old internet, where everyone been really free to write what and how they wanted it to be.

Who are you after all to judge how he writes his opinions?

Happy hacking, Andrew!

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by skrebbel »

climb_stealth wrote: post #82
dsissitka wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the incident: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41837782 https://dmpwn.info/

Holy shit this escalates completely. I had no idea any of this was going. Is sr.ht tainted now or still a decent place to host code? I can't quite tell.

> Is sr.ht tainted now

I hate that this is now a thing you can ask unsarcastically.

Just use the tool you like the best man, screw what other people think. Yes, there's people who will go "you're bad because your use a tool that's made by a guy who said something wrong about Stallman" (or whatever he did exactly again). These people are not worth your attention.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

Levels of indirections matter.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by prmoustache »

serial_dev wrote: post #226
SanjayMehta wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CoC are the HR department of open source.

> HR is to protect the company, not the employee The CoC is not there to protect the community, but to protect all the bad actors and give ammunition to attack the good ones. Happens every time, the maintainers who add CoCs to projects have no problem being an ahole to others. Update: I know some people love their CoCs, but answer me this, how is this kind of childish name calling allowed and still online, if what I…

> Update: I know some people love their CoCs, but answer me this, how is this kind of childish name calling allowed and still online, if what I wrote above is not true?

Where you born 30 minutes ago to not have realized yet that people are not infallible, are subjects of emotions and contradict themselves all the time?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by tomalbrc »

darrenf wrote: post #331
carlmr wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are blasting the product tbf. The people part is a small part of it. And apparently at least distracting the HN Community from their point.

Which is exactly why to cut it out. If you put salt in my cup of tea, I’m gonna notice and it’s gonna ruin the drink.

Microsoft poured salt into your cup years ago, you just did not notice.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by SkiFire13 »

ralph84 wrote: post #264
homebrewer wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only good thing about it is their very generous limits for "open source" projects (it doesn't even have to be free software AFAIK, just the source has to be visible to everyone). The CI service itself is an absolute trash fire caused by the usual Microsoft NIH, and if they have financial means not to deal with it anymore, I see no reason for them to waste their limited development time on dealing with it.

Where else would the CI service for a Microsoft product be invented? NIH is a weird insult in this context. If Microsoft had instead acquired a CI service you’d be complaining about how they’re reducing competition.

> Where else would the CI service for a Microsoft product be invented?

FYI Azure has its own CI service and that's pretty bad too.

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