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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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What are "P80s"? Given the context, I doubt this refers either to screens used in mineral processing or to home-built firearms, which are all that I see in the first couple pages of search results.

They probably mean 80th percentile of the response time distribution? Usually you see this talked about for P95 or P99

They haven’t yet reached that level of maturity

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

They are also used to exclude control speech and exclude certain people https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestr...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Well said. It's not good to see such arguments like these.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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It’s more likely that most of them are competent professionals doing their best in an impersonal corporate environment, just like the rest of us.

Not all of us sold out to corporations. Admittedly some of those may be a bit ... unusual. Like the guy who created TempleOS.

Gotta sell yourself to someone in this world. There’s no sense in demeaning someone about it.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

CoC are the HR department of open source.

> HR is to protect the company, not the employee

The CoC is not there to protect the community, but to protect all the bad actors and give ammunition to attack the good ones.

Happens every time, the maintainers who add CoCs to projects have no problem being an ahole to others.

Update: I know some people love their CoCs, but answer me this, how is this kind of childish name calling allowed and still online, if what I wrote above is not true?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Oh no! Anyways... I love zig and I'm glad they're moving off what GitHub has become, not least because enough high profile projects leaving might make them focus on what matters again.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

The only good thing about it is their very generous limits for "open source" projects (it doesn't even have to be free software AFAIK, just the source has to be visible to everyone).

The CI service itself is an absolute trash fire caused by the usual Microsoft NIH, and if they have financial means not to deal with it anymore, I see no reason for them to waste their limited development time on dealing with it.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Agreed. Came here to point out that the lack of professionalism and common courtesy here is reminiscent of the dark entitled days of open source in the late 90s that had attitude of "We build free software so we can tell you to go fuck yourself.". Hope we're not headed back there.

I’ll take that vs no open source software contributors. Elitism is far from the worst character trait unpaid code janitors can be expected to have.

I have a lot of understanding for such personalities too, I'm probably quite like this myself although I try my hardest to not open my mouth like this. For example I got blocked by Jonathan Blow over a simple question on twitter but I don't think too badly of him now, it's just a miscalculation on his part or him trying to optimize his life as a passionate person. But you really need to make sure to be right when you are putting other people down. I mean REALLY right, you need to tripple check that what you are doing is going to help an honest person to improve themselves. So my opinion is: You can be super critical but you have to be right.

I'm not going to touch the political parts. But my main point is that the migration itself is obviously not well done, he isn't even migrating issues nor migrating perks for sponsors, splitting the community and attention apart. You could even say that he's critical of people who keep using github sponsors. In my view the text is implying that you are hurting ziglang if you keep using this thing that is a liability for ziglang... oh the horror of giving someone money in a way he doesn't like. People like this forget that contributors are doing free work for them too, it's not just one way. Everything that creates friction for them is real work you just caused them.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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post #93

Coderberg is nice , but their P80s are terrible. And they are hosted in Germany, which adds a few seconds to every remote command . I wouldn’t move business critical repos there . Everyone loses their mind when GitHub goes down once every 2 years . If codeberg provided SLas , they would probably breach them weekly

Every 2 years? More like every 2 days for GitHub Actions or Git operations those days :(

Grass is always greener.
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