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Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by AstroBen »

simonw wrote: post #133
TheRoque wrote: post #132

So when should we start to be worried, as developers ? Like, I don't use these tools yet for cost + security. But you can see it's getting there, mostly. It could take a day before to find a complex algorithm, understand it, and implement it to your code, now you can just ask an AI to do it for you and it could succeed in a few minutes. How long before the amount of engineers needed to maintaint a product is divived…

Here's an alternative way to think about that: how long until the value I can deliver as a developer goes up by a factor of 2, or a factor of 10? How many companies that previously would never have dreamed of commissioning custom software are now going to be in the market for it, because they don't have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and wait 6 months just to see if their investment has a chance of paying…

The value you can deliver doesn't necessarily correlate with your compensation, though

Cleaning staff also offer a business a huge amount of value. No-one wants to eat at a restaurant that's dirty and stinks. Unfortunately the staff aren't paid very well

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by in-silico »

joegibbs wrote: post #140
gallerdude wrote: post #5

It is interesting that most of our modes of interaction with AI is still just textboxes. The only big UX change in that the last three years has been the introduction of the Claude Code / OpenAI Codex tools. They feel amazing to use, like you're working with another independent mind. I am curious what the user interfaces of AI in the future will be, I think whoever can crack that will create immense value.

When we have really fast and good models it will be able to generate a GUI on the fly. It could probably be done now with a fine-tune on some kind of XML-based UI schema or something. I gave it a try but couldn't figure it out entirely, consistency would be an issue too.

Google is already doing this with Gemini:

https://research.google/blog/generative-ui-a-rich-custom-vis...

I don't know if/when it will actually be in consumers hands, but the tech is there.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by KoolKat23 »

tempestn wrote: post #83
stavros wrote: post #50

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It's gotten more and more shippable, especially with the latest generation (Codex 5.1, Sonnet 4.5, now Opus 4.5). My metric is "wtfs per line", and it's been decreasing rapidly. My current preference is Codex 5.1 (Sonnet 4.5 as a close second, though it got really dumb today for "some reason"). It's been good to the point where I shipped multiple projects with it without a problem (with eg https://pine.town being one…

Have you tried Gemini 3 yet? I haven't done any coding with it, but on other tasks I've been impressed compared to gpt 5 and Sonnet 4.5.

imo don't waste your time for coding with Gemini 3. Perhaps worth it if it's something Claude's not helping with, as Gemini 3's reasoning is very good supposedly.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by in-silico »

gallerdude wrote: post #5

It is interesting that most of our modes of interaction with AI is still just textboxes. The only big UX change in that the last three years has been the introduction of the Claude Code / OpenAI Codex tools. They feel amazing to use, like you're working with another independent mind. I am curious what the user interfaces of AI in the future will be, I think whoever can crack that will create immense value.

The next step (and I am not claiming it's the right one) is probably "Generative UI" where the model creates website-like interfaces on the fly.

Google seems to be making good progress [1] and it seems like only a matter of time before it reaches consumers.

1. https://research.google/blog/generative-ui-a-rich-custom-vis...

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by taurath »

throwawaylaptop wrote: post #122
taurath wrote: post #96

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But holy shit is it also a funding issue when teachers make nothing.

I date a lot of teachers. My last one was in the San Ramon (CA) Valley School district, she makes about $90k a year at 34 years old. Talking to her basically makes me want to homeschool my kids to make sure someone like her isn't their teacher. Paying teachers more won't do ANYTHING until we become a lot more selective about who gets to become and stay a teacher. It can't be like most government jobs where getting it…

Its interesting to hear you say that you date a lot of teachers while simultaneously holding this view of their level of competence. Or just not the ones you date?

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by philipwhiuk »

sib wrote: post #135
lacoolj wrote: post #59

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I wonder how much is spent refining oil and how much that industry has evolved. Or mass transit. Or food.

Or on "a cure for cancer" (according to Gemini, $2.2T 2024 US dollars...)

10 year survival is 50% in 2024 in the UK. It was 25% in the 1970s.

Age-standardised deaths in the US are down by a third since the 1990s.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by SomewhatLikely »

jaccola wrote: post #113
acters wrote: post #20

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I feel like hallucinations have changed over time from factual errors randomly shoehorned into the middle of sentences to the LLMs confidently telling you they are right and even provide their own reasoning to back up their claims, which most of the time are references that don't exist.

I've noticed the new OpenAI models do self contradiction a lot more than I've ever noticed before! Things like: - Aha, the error clearly lies in X, because ... so X is fine, the real error is in Y ... so Y is working perfectly. The smoking gun: Z ... - While you can do A, in practice it is almost never a good idea because ... which is why it's always best to do A

I've seen it so this too. I had it keeping a running tally over many turns and occasionally it would say something like: "... bringing the total to 304.. 306, no 303. Haha, just kidding I know it's really 310." With the last number being the right one. I'm curious if it's an organic behavior or a taught one. It could be self learned through reinforcement learning, a way to correct itself since it doesn't have access to a backspace key.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by oblio »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #93
oblio wrote: post #32

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Yet the most popular platforms on the planet have people pointing a finger (or several) at a picture. And the most popular media format on the planet is and will be (for the foreseeable future), video. Video is only limited by our capacity to produce enough of it at a decent quality, otherwise humanity is definitely not looking back fondly at BBSes and internet forums (and I say this as someone who loves forums). Gen…

WhatsApp is primarily a text-based chat interface and it has pretty much universal adoption in the countries where it's popular.

I guess you haven't been in enough group chats. There's a reason it has dedicated emoji button with GIFs, avatars, stickers.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by tempestn »

stavros wrote: post #87
tempestn wrote: post #83

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Have you tried Gemini 3 yet? I haven't done any coding with it, but on other tasks I've been impressed compared to gpt 5 and Sonnet 4.5.

Only a tiny bit, but I should. When you say GPT-5, do you mean 5.1? Codex or regular?

Sorry, yeah, 5.1 regular chatbot.
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